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Olderscout wrote-Neither is denying the single person the ability to control her own reproductive functions.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Olderscout`s  post speaks volume when considering that he is stating  a  single person is unable to     control her reproductive functions(Or her irresponsible sexual behavior and her partner`s) and somehow he is wanting us to all share the burden.


Listen to the old school dogma reply. First of all, there are cases where a woman may get pregnant by forms of rape, incest, ineffective birth control along with other reasons.  It is HER body and SHE should have the right to choose what she does.  Women are not owned anymore.


Yes, there is rape, etc. What percentage of the single parent (mother) homes do you suppose was caused by rape, etc?

 

Yes, it is her body - are we responsible for her irresponsible use of it?

 

You may be right "personal responsibility" is becoming "old school dogma".

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So do we let the child suffer because of their dead beat parents ?

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@easyed598 I can and will respect your opinion.  We can just agree to disagree and hopefully someday we can all find a common ground.

 


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Controlled-Listen to the old school dogma reply. First of all, there are cases where a woman may get pregnant by forms of rape, incest, ineffective birth control along with other reasons.  It is HER body and SHE should have the right to choose what she does.  Women are not owned anymore.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rape ,incest and ineffective birth control is usually taken care of with an abortion.(about 3 %) When a  single woman choose to have a  baby and exercise her reproductive rights why do I and all Americans have to share the  burden?  HER Body -HER responsibility


 

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Controlled-Listen to the old school dogma reply. First of all, there are cases where a woman may get pregnant by forms of rape, incest, ineffective birth control along with other reasons.  It is HER body and SHE should have the right to choose what she does.  Women are not owned anymore.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rape ,incest and ineffective birth control is usually taken care of with an abortion.(about 3 %) When a  single woman choose to have a  baby and exercise her reproductive rights why do I and all Americans have to share the  burden?  HER Body -HER responsibility

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In 1970, the minimum wage was 60% of the median income, today it's 24%. In 1970, you could attend college with a summer job and 10hrs a week working part time for your school, most of which had scads of such jobs available if you bothered to look.While attending in the early 60's, I lived very well - ate steak regularily, had a nice car (for a kid) lived in a nice apartment and paid for it with a good summer job and some 10hrs a week working for the computer center. Someone with the same income and no tuition and books would've had a pretty sweet life.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In 1970 the minimum wage was $1.65 so your story doesn`t ring true unless you had other sources of income or help from your mommy and daddy. So until you better explain ,you get pinocchio_4.jpg

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Olderscout wrote-Unemployment went down NOT because good jobs suddenly appeared, quite the opposite. The good jobs continued to be sent to commie slaves in Asia so more people simply gave up looking for employment, which makes it appear as if the economy improved.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is what is you get when poster is uniformed-January 2019-wages at all time high ( over $23.00/hour)   
United States Average Hourly Wages | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar

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@easyed598 wrote:

Olderscout wrote-Neither is denying the single person the ability to control her own reproductive functions.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Olderscout`s  post speaks volume when considering that he is stating  a  single person is unable to     control her reproductive functions(Or her irresponsible sexual behavior and her partner`s) and somehow he is wanting us to all share the burden.


Listen to the old school dogma reply. First of all, there are cases where a woman may get pregnant by forms of rape, incest, ineffective birth control along with other reasons.  It is HER body and SHE should have the right to choose what she does.  Women are not owned anymore.

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Olderscout wrote-Neither is denying the single person the ability to control her own reproductive functions.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Olderscout`s  post speaks volume when considering that he is stating  a  single person is unable to     control her reproductive functions(Or her irresponsible sexual behavior and her partner`s) and somehow he is wanting us to all share the burden.

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In 1970, the minimum wage was 60% of the median income, today it's 24%. In 1970, you could attend college with a summer job and 10hrs a week working part time for your school, most of which had scads of such jobs available if you bothered to look.While attending in the early 60's, I lived very well - ate steak regularily, had a nice car (for a kid) lived in a nice apartment and paid for it with a good summer job and some 10hrs a week working for the computer center. Someone with the same income and no tuition and books would've had a pretty sweet life.

 

The main reason was in-State tuition was a couple hundred bucks, dorms were cheap, apts were cheaper and part time work plentiful BECAUSE OF REVENUE SHARING. When Reagan killed Revenue Sharing to try and cover the lost revenue from his tax scam, all those good things vanished and in their place our kids and grandkids got college debt the size of a home mortgage.

 

If you want YOUR grandkids to have a college experience like mine (financially speaking) GET RID OF THE REAGAN TAXSCAM BY GETTING RID OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO WON'T TAX THE RICH. Otherwise, they can always find work in the service industry (want fries with that?), and thanks to those GOPers you allowed to remain in office, they won't have to worry about paying Union Dues or ever getting a fair shake in their job - those two things are inextricably connected if you're not "connected".


I remind you that in the past you have made the claim that the feds paid 75% of college costs before the Reagan tax cuts. When pressed for substantiation, you faded from the scene.

 

And now, it's back - care to offer more specifics than "tax scam"??

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Controlled wrote-And the single mother and the kid living with his parents (both in a minimum wage job) - how does your minimum wage theory deal with that?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------When my kids worked for minimum wage jobs in the 70`s they could barely afford their car payment,gasoline and auto insurance.- ,much less a living wage.


See, there you go.  Can you imagine trying to raise a family on a minimum wage which has not even kept up with inflation? 


Agreed - having a child when single and qualified for no more than minimum wage is not wise.


Neither is denying the single person the ability to control her own reproductive functions. In fact, that goes way beyond "unwise" and right into evil, especially when you've rigged the system to ensure she can never support an unwanted child by refusing to provide child care and a living wage. Seems we're the only industrialized democracy to do that as well as denying poor people adequate health care.


Of course, control your own reproductive functions - and act in responsible way. Should a woman's desire to have a child she cannot feed really be the issue? Actually yes, it is in this case.

 

Now, as to the rigged system - how did the system get rigged so she could not become a productive member of society?

 

And how is healthcare rigged against the non-productive? Not only is birth control free, so are abortions.

 

You seem to deny all possibility of people accepting responsibility for themselves and insist they are entitled to the property of those who do.

 

 

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