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Olderscout wrote-The 25,000 jobs WERE NEVER GOING TO GO TO RESIDENTS OF Upstate NEW YORK!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is mixing oranges and apples-Amazon never had the residents of upstate NY in mind. This was strictly helping people the NYC area - the city of New York,Long Island and eastern New Jersey.  OAC negative response affected people who were in her district and other districts  close by.   Olderscout cannot grasp this reality but he has lots of excuses for having the Amazon deal being killed.

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From olderscout link---“Much more needs to be done to improve the basic climate for economic growth” upstate, said E.J. McMahon, the Research Director for the Empire Center for Public Policy, a conservative think tank based in Albany. “It’s just not dynamic enough to hold more of its people.”---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So those 25,000 jobs loss from Amazon and the 20,000 offshoot jobs wouldn`t help the economic climate  in New York? (in your opinion) Thanks for proving my point.


The 25,000 jobs WERE NEVER GOING TO GO TO RESIDENTS OF Upstate NEW YORK!

What I posted was: Guess again. An analysis of the resident labor force showed that virtually ALL those high-paying jobs would be filled by people who did NOT live in the area, and who WOULD drive up real estate prices that would displace thousands of local residents who would no longer be able to afford the rent.

 

Thanks for confirming Republicans have no valid points when it comes to growing the economy.

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From olderscout link---“Much more needs to be done to improve the basic climate for economic growth” upstate, said E.J. McMahon, the Research Director for the Empire Center for Public Policy, a conservative think tank based in Albany. “It’s just not dynamic enough to hold more of its people.”---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So those 25,000 jobs loss from Amazon and the 20,000 offshoot jobs wouldn`t help the economic climate  in New York? (in your opinion) Thanks for proving my point.

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Olderscout wrote-The people representing the citizens of NYC that would be impacted by the Amazon deal rejected it because they saw no economic gain for their constitutents, and they were RIGHT.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------How wrong you are-Try telling that to the 45,000 people who would have high paying jobs which would have averaged $150,000/year.   The people who voted her in ,in 2018 will have second thoughts in 2020. In addition, all the millionaires who are being gouged with high taxes  are ,leaving in droves from New York to states with fairer and lower taxes.


Guess again. An analysis of the resident labor force showed that virtually ALL those high-paying jobs would be filled by people who did NOT live in the area, and who WOULD drive up real estate prices that would displace thousands of local residents who would no longer be able to afford the rent.

 

As for the title of this thread, just more Republican doublespeak trying to trash a Democratic stronghold.

According to recent data from the US Census Bureau, more people are leaving the state of New York. Between July 2017 and July 2018, the Empire State lost 180,306 people and gained only 131,746 new residents. A difference of 48,560 abandoned New York — the biggest decrease of any state in the US. However, with a population of 19,875,625, that's a decline of 0.2%

The problem is especially acute upstate where 42 out of 50 counties have seen a population decrease since 2010. Historically, these counties vote REPUBLICAN, so their infrastructure  is in shambles because of tax cutting.

“Much more needs to be done to improve the basic climate for economic growth” upstate, said E.J. McMahon, the Research Director for the Empire Center for Public Policy, a conservative think tank based in Albany. “It’s just not dynamic enough to hold more of its people.”

In New York City, the population is still growing, with the number of people living in the city increasing by nearly half a million from 2010 to 2017,

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Well there's 1 county of farmers doing well. They must all be doing well. There has never been a mass shooting on my street , so must not be a problem.

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Olderscout wrote-The people representing the citizens of NYC that would be impacted by the Amazon deal rejected it because they saw no economic gain for their constitutents, and they were RIGHT.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------How wrong you are-Try telling that to the 45,000 people who would have high paying jobs which would have averaged $150,000/year.   The people who voted her in ,in 2018 will have second thoughts in 2020. In addition, all the millionaires who are being gouged with high taxes  are ,leaving in droves from New York to states with fairer and lower taxes.

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Richva wrote-In short, the successful future is in social democracy, not socialism and certainly not the "give it all to the top 1%" America has ended up with. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Not the 1 %---I just finished my taxes and normally I get back about  a $200 refund . With a small increase in income, this year I got almost $800 back.  Thanks Trump for the 2018 tax cut and letting me keep more of my money.   The future is now for Capitalism

Olderscout wrote-Possible ONLY if you drastically increased your withholding. Meanwhile millions of people are spending a great deal more for the same market basket  and thousands of small farmers are bankrupt because of lil donny's trade wars.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Actually my pension withheld about $300 less than they did in 2017 and my refund was still higher.  BTW- The farmers in my rural county,where I live had a bumper year .I can tell by all the new farm equipment that I observe when I drive into town.

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Olderscout, let's face it the days of Mom and Pop and self-employment means of a good living are gone!  Like the old drive-in movies, rotary telephones and party lines....all just a distant memory.  Hope you enjoyed it all while we had that smaller intimate lives. No?

 

Controlled42 -Small businessses are still competative because they offer better service, and if WallyWorld did not REQUIRE those tax breaks to survive, why do so many close as soon as the TIF subsidy ends and wind up housing the infants and children Trump ripped from their mother's arms at the border?

 

Drive-in movies were so prevelent because they were how a speculator would pay the tax on land s/he planned to devleop in the future. Nowdays, that function has been taken over by all the multi-unit storage facilities you see along the road. The one's that were intended as a long-term proposition have survived and people drive considerable distances to partake of that "forgotten pleasure".

 

All those jobs promised when some billionaire cons a city council into building him/her a huge stadium for some pro sports team are a fraction of the ones lost as all the diners within a mile of ths stadium close down because fans can't carry food in and they take up all the parking spaces.

 

BOTTOM LINE: If a business needs special tax breaks to open up, leave it closed - you'll be better off in the short and the long run.

 


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The people representing the citizens of NYC that would be impacted by the Amazon deal rejected it because they saw no economic gain for their constitutents, and they were RIGHT.

 

Anytime a local or State Government has given TIFs to "incourage growth". they've wound up on the fuzzy end of the lollipop. The jobs they claimed would be gained were offset by losses elsewhere, such as people being forced from their homes because of increased rents, or the new business forcing out old ones, like Walmart has been doing for the last 30 years.

 

If you need a special consideration on taxes to make your business work, you're in the wrong business. The rest of us are waking up and getting tired of footing the bill for Billionaires demanding we pay to make them richer.


 


 


Well, I understand how the Amazon coming to town would be a big frown on many.  But that is coming from a person who lives in an area where the city folk send their garbage and criminals, where people only make decent wages from corrections departments, local landfills or the farm people who are the local dictators on policy.  But again, what the heck are us "country folk" supposed to understand and contribute to the general consensus?

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Olderscout, let's face it the days of Mom and Pop and self-employment means of a good living are gone!  Like the old drive-in movies, rotary telephones and party lines....all just a distant memory.  Hope you enjoyed it all while we had that smaller intimate lives. No?

 

Controlled42 -Small businessses are still competative because they offer better service, and if WallyWorld did not REQUIRE those tax breaks to survive, why do so many close as soon as the TIF subsidy ends and wind up housing the infants and children Trump ripped from their mother's arms at the border?

 

Drive-in movies were so prevelent because they were how a speculator would pay the tax on land s/he planned to devleop in the future. Nowdays, that function has been taken over by all the multi-unit storage facilities you see along the road. The one's that were intended as a long-term proposition have survived and people drive considerable distances to partake of that "forgotten pleasure".

 

All those jobs promised when some billionaire cons a city council into building him/her a huge stadium for some pro sports team are a fraction of the ones lost as all the diners within a mile of ths stadium close down because fans can't carry food in and they take up all the parking spaces.

 

BOTTOM LINE: If a business needs special tax breaks to open up, leave it closed - you'll be better off in the short and the long run.

 


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The people representing the citizens of NYC that would be impacted by the Amazon deal rejected it because they saw no economic gain for their constitutents, and they were RIGHT.

 

Anytime a local or State Government has given TIFs to "incourage growth". they've wound up on the fuzzy end of the lollipop. The jobs they claimed would be gained were offset by losses elsewhere, such as people being forced from their homes because of increased rents, or the new business forcing out old ones, like Walmart has been doing for the last 30 years.

 

If you need a special consideration on taxes to make your business work, you're in the wrong business. The rest of us are waking up and getting tired of footing the bill for Billionaires demanding we pay to make them richer.


 


 

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Olderscout, let's face it the days of Mom and Pop and self-employment means of a good living are gone!  Like the old drive-in movies, rotary telephones and party lines....all just a distant memory.  Hope you enjoyed it all while we had that smaller intimate lives. No?

 


@Olderscout66 wrote:

The people representing the citizens of NYC that would be impacted by the Amazon deal rejected it because they saw no economic gain for their constitutents, and they were RIGHT.

 

Anytime a local or State Government has given TIFs to "incourage growth". they've wound up on the fuzzy end of the lollipop. The jobs they claimed would be gained were offset by losses elsewhere, such as people being forced from their homes because of increased rents, or the new business forcing out old ones, like Walmart has been doing for the last 30 years.

 

If you need a special consideration on taxes to make your business work, you're in the wrong business. The rest of us are waking up and getting tired of footing the bill for Billionaires demanding we pay to make them richer.


 

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