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@GailL1 wrote:

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I am not defending any state immigration rules or laws - I am just saying that these differences create MORE problems because, as you say, they are not all the same.

 

In fact, now that the genie has been let out of the bottle, I am not so sure we will ever get it back in -  Every state is different - citizens within each of these states want different immigration laws and rules - as different as night and day.

 

It is a complex problem - which most people don't understand its complexity.

Coming to some (legal) concensus between the Federal Government and the States would at least help in beginning a process of reform.

Findlaw: Federal vs State Immigration Laws

 

 

There are certain things that the States should have their own laws but, there are others that having 50 different laws is the most inefficient way of dealing with a problem and immigration is one of them.

There needs to be a certain amount of centralization of the Federal Government, in order to have certain laws to function. and this is one of them.

But we all know that one of the Republican mantras have always been that the Government interferes too much in our lives. 
which  is a problem that exists in such a big country. otherwise you can simply become 50 different countries and do your own thing

Centralization has to happen in such a big  country. and this deal that the Federal Government is seen as an enemy is really not conducive to have a country that really runs well. 

 


 

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I am not defending any state immigration rules or laws - I am just saying that these differences create MORE problems because, as you say, they are not all the same.

 

In fact, now that the genie has been let out of the bottle, I am not so sure we will ever get it back in -  Every state is different - citizens within each of these states want different immigration laws and rules - as different as night and day.

 

It is a complex problem - which most people don't understand its complexity.

Coming to some (legal) concensus between the Federal Government and the States would at least help in beginning a process of reform.

Findlaw: Federal vs State Immigration Laws

 

 

 

 

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Regarding the immigration laws in the Us. the system is completely broken. and to even try to justify anything  any where is not only futile  but actually further from the real truth.

The real truth is that both parties are  the primary culprits on this issue. They never had done anything to really come up with a comprehensive immigration law. that will  cover and enforceD in the 50th  States of this country.

We have piece meal laws on each of the States that don't do a thing to really deal with this issue. 
You have in your post provided the absolutely incompetent and inefficient way of dealing with the undocumented workers that are in North Carolina, and we can go State by State and find out how all of them have very lax laws regarding this issue. and there is no consistency in this country regarding our immigration laws.

Well you defend North Carolina for its laws, please understand that most of the other Sates can actually copy and paste what is done in North Carolina which is very innefecient.

Until the Congress and the Senate have the stones to deal with a full comprehensive immigration law. we will be speaking about this for another 30 years. and the undocumented workers will continue to come  and there is nothing that anyone will be able to do about it.

 

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You are just bringing up areas that need to have some immigration reform.

 

To tackle illegal immigration, go after the employers

 

After Reagan did the amnesty program in the 80's, the border was suppose to have been secured - it wasn't.  So we still have illegal workers coming here to work at those jobs that Americans won't do and the illegals do them cheaper.

 

E-verify has not been mandated in many states at all, plus the burden of proof is placed on immigration officials to prove that the employer KNOWINGLY hired them as illegals before punitive action against the employers can take place. 

 

In N.C., E-Verify is mandated for use for employers who have more than 24 employees - less than that and they don't have to comply with it- it is not mandated.  

 

Employers who hire temporary seasonal workers for fewer than 90 days nine months within a consecutive 12-month period and private employers with 24 or fewer employees are not required to use EVerify in North Carolina.

 

Failure to comply can result in monetary penalties of $10,000 or more. The state must also notify U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and local police.

 

The ACLU and Immigration lawyers and advocates keep illegal immigrants informed as to what they should do if immigration officers come a'calling without a specific warrant.  Immigration officers have little problem getting a warrant for an immigrant - legal or not - who has a criminal record.

 

But for those millions of illegals that stay in the shadows, working their low paying job and not getting arrested for something, it is harder for officers to get that warrant.

 

ACLU - What To Do If You're Stopped by Police, Immigrantion Agents or FBI

 

We need reform - including protecting our borders some way/some how - 

We need to have a impervious identification method with a mandatory check against a national system identifying those who are authorized to work here - citizens or immigrants.  We need to come to terms with certain products costing us more either by hiring via an immigrant work program or by hiring those Americans that will do these jobs because either way, the employer will be paying more to these workers than an illegal.

 

I also agree with TexasGrandpa - in the middle of a hurricane, there are other things to worry about - just like other law enforcement stuff stops for awhile.

 

Immigration Agents do raid employers or even audit them if a state has a mandated E-verify system in place for private employers.  The federal law ONLY covers federal contractors.  Some states only mandate state contractors to E-Verify and then others don't specify anything more - they don't care if a state contractor hires illegals nor do they care if private employers hire them.

 

 

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

Why aren't they going into North & South Carolina when all these Immigrant Workers are sheltering in only a few places?

 


 



During emergencies such as this hurricane ICE doesn't go after illegals.  It has been reported in the media that ICE is leaving them alone so they won't be afraid to seek safety in shelters.



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How come they aren't going after the 10,000 Pig & Chicken Farmers in the Carolinas who hire them?

 

When the SUN is out?

 

Is there also some kind of benevolence stipulation that includes every Illegal & their Employers in every State except those where Democrats Control the Governments?

 

 

 

 

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Why aren't they going into North & South Carolina when all these Immigrant Workers are sheltering in only a few places?

 


 



During emergencies such as this hurricane ICE doesn't go after illegals.  It has been reported in the media that ICE is leaving them alone so they won't be afraid to seek safety in shelters.


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The main reason that we have undocumented workers is because we have documented Americans that provide them with jobs.

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Whether it is in the Carolinas or elsewhere, undocumented workers are a mainstay for businesses and contractors.  That practice is more common than you might think and happens in most if not all economy chains that rely on cheap labor for their success. 

 

Undocumented workers are a significant part of the US work force, just not very visible.  When they do surface, uniform enforcement of the law is simply not there. Somebody said 'Money is Power'.  They're right.

 

Mueller may stumble across the 'why' of this particular corruption in the process of investigating another corruption that exists within the 'business sector in our public sector'.  He does seem to have the clout needed to shine a light on the pig trough. Hope he can keep it up.   

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@mickstuder wrote:

Where is ICE - there are over 10,000 Pig & Chicken Farms in the Carolinas - Farms how hire thousands of Illegal Immigrants who are now all cooped up in the same place

 

Perdue - Tyson - Prestage Farms - Maxwell Foods

 

Why aren't they being arrested?

 

ICE goes into Sanctuary Cities and arrests people at Community Blood Drives

 

ICE goes into Sanctuary Cities and arrests people at Community Food Banks

 

Why aren't they going into North & South Carolina when all these Immigrant Workers are sheltering in only a few places?

 

WHY?

 

North Carolina Government - Governor Democrat - Legislature - Republican

 

South Carolina Government from the Governor to the Legislature - Republican

 

 

 

 


Repugnicant business owners, investors, and contributors to corrupt and dishonest repug congresscritters need those illegals to work for cheap.

Of course - ICE won't be doing anything until well after they have been used to clean up after the hurricane - for subnormal wages - the repugs know who to pay off - and how - in order to continue to keep getting their way...

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Where is ICE - there are over 10,000 Pig & Chicken Farms in the Carolinas -

 

Farms who hire thousands of Illegal Immigrants who are now all cooped up in the same place

 

Perdue - Tyson - Prestage Farms - Maxwell Foods

 

Why aren't they being arrested?

 

ICE goes into Sanctuary Cities and arrests people at Community Blood Drives

 

ICE goes into Sanctuary Cities and arrests people at Community Food Banks

 

Why aren't they going into North & South Carolina when all these Immigrant Workers are sheltering in only a few places?

 

WHY?

 

North Carolina Government - Governor Democrat - Legislature - Republican

 

South Carolina Government from the Governor to the Legislature - Republican

 

 

 

 

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