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@ManicProgressive

 

There are atrocities in every part of the world.  Do you think that the United States can solve every problem?  Or allow all those affected to slip into our country?  Have you ever walked the streets in a third world country and tried to solve the problems of everyone in a dire position?

 

Try giving money to every urchin beggar that asks for it.  It's a hopeless task and you would be mobbed by the bunch.

 

Immigration laws are much the same as our property laws.  As comparison do you feel that any homeless person should be allowed to move into your home or property without permission?  Even with permission, wouldn't you be selective as to whom you  would allow taking up residence?

 

That is the purpose of immigration laws to control admittance to our country for an orderly immigration policy based on law not on 'feel good' principles.  If you care for those people of other countries, have you considered volunteering to go there to help them to help themselves?

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A very wise friend of mine once told me that if I envy someone for something they have, I need to envy everything about them.  That almost always kills envy.  Smiley Wink

 

Because while some undocumented workers seem to get getting something for nothing, what they’ve come from is horrifying.

 

Most women (80%) who have crossed the border illegally have been sexually assaulted. Do you envy that?

 

Many men and women leave their children behind, never to see them again. Do you envy that?

 

Many women here are sexually and physically abused, because they are less likely to report it.  Do you envy that?

 

Many leave to escape gang violence, only to find out their mothers, sisters, daughters, grandmothers are raped and killed as punishment. Do you envy that? 

 

Many live 6-8 in a bedroom so they can send some money back home. Often that money is all that keeps their loved ones alive. Food, medical care, extortion money paid to gangs. Do you envy that?

 

 

 

 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

How did they get 56 billion dollars?

 

Work

 

Who did they work for?

 

Americans 

 

What did they do with the money they earned ?

 

Sent it to their families to support them.

 

What is wrong with any of that?

 

They're not white.

 No, your racism is incorrect. They had the money to tend to their needs and chose to get their care "free". White, black, green - it is all the same.

 


Wait.......undocumented migrants have the money to tend to their needs?  And they get all this money from....................... white farmers who overpay them?????


Wait.....they have money to send home but not to pay for their own needs.

 

Are you sure that all farmers are white - or is some latent racism peeking out?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

How did they get 56 billion dollars?

 

Work

 

Who did they work for?

 

Americans 

 

What did they do with the money they earned ?

 

Sent it to their families to support them.

 

What is wrong with any of that?

 

They're not white.

 No, your racism is incorrect. They had the money to tend to their needs and chose to get their care "free". White, black, green - it is all the same.

 


Wait.......undocumented migrants have the money to tend to their needs?  And they get all this money from....................... white farmers who overpay them?????

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@nctarheel wrote:

 

@gruffstuff, you have hit the nail on the head.

 

To the people that complain about things like this, there is only one sentence in your post that is important to them. That sentence was:

 

THEY'RE NOT WHITE

 

It is also interesting to note that the people complaining about this are the same people who make a mockery of our First BLACK President by likening him to a teenage clown. These are the same people that provide "figures" from unverifiable fake news sites.

 

They fail to mention that:

(1) Immigrants from around the world send money home.

(2) Immigrants have always sent money home.

 

Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Chinese all send money home from places like Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, France, United Kingdom, Qatar, and Italy.

 

But then came "SPANKY" Trump's racist tinged "American First" policy that essentially copied the anti-immigrant, anti-Semite "America First" programs of the 1930's.

 

So now it is a "crime" to send money back home from the U.S. for those with darker skin.

 

"SPANKY'S" policies are backfiring on him.

 

At one time, "Spanky" has remarked "all Haitians have AIDS", likened illegal immigrants to vomit, and called the countries in Africa **bleep**HOLE countries.

 

That kind of racism is not viewed positively by a group that Trump would love to move to the United States.

 

The Norwegians.

 

Norwegian immigrants are down to a trickle here in the United States because they realize, but for the color of their skin, "there goes I" when it comes to the President's and his minions XENOPHOBIC rantings. They realize how easy it would be for them to be targeted also.

 

"SPANKY" has never put his brain in gear before he has put his mouth in motion and AMERICA is worse for it, alot worse.


Nope, your SCREAMED racism is also inaccurate. It is not about the nation involved, it is about having the money to tend to your needs and requiring free care.

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@gruffstuff wrote:

How did they get 56 billion dollars?

 

Work

 

Who did they work for?

 

Americans 

 

What did they do with the money they earned ?

 

Sent it to their families to support them.

 

What is wrong with any of that?

 

They're not white.

 No, your racism is incorrect. They had the money to tend to their needs and chose to get their care "free". White, black, green - it is all the same.

 

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But they do have to file taxes under a TIN.



The UNdocumented cannot get a TIN - they don't have the documents  to complete a W-7 Application for a Taxpayer Identification Number.

 

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw7.pdf

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They also pay millions into Social Security and Medicare that they will not be able to use.
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I would like to see your source of proof on this. Many of them use a fake SS number, so where does that money go? Years ago when a manager wanted to try some Mexicans in our workforce and could not be talked out of it, we discovered later they had fake SS numbers. One of the woman became pregnant and the medical source she used had other information than what we had on record. When told this, the medical provider said it didn't matter. Then, near Christmas, they all went back to Mexico for a long visit. No mention, just disappeared. Guess what, the jobs were filled with some employees who did not have all this baggage. They showed back up, same faces, different names and SS numbers. Honesty of any kind didn't seem to matter.
Also, in today's workforce, some that do have visas to work here are exempt from paying social security. Don't think you have current facts.


Unless the business is not paying the taxes that are withheld from the workers paychecks that money is going to the SSA. So unless the employer is cheating on their taxes the SSA is getting that money.

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@GailL1 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

Why is it so wrong that we cannot provide basic healthcare services for people, citizens or immigrants? Don’t we pay for those citizens who chose to not have health insurance or cannot afford it...and go to the ER instead? We keep trying to blame people for getting sick. Perhaps we need to blame the current administration for not caring if all have access to healthcare. They have theirs, why care about the common folk?

As far as sending money back, don’t we first need to ask why these folks have been hired by corps, farms, and the wealthy who just want to have cheap undocumented labor to profit off of. Once again, don’t blame an immigrant for providing requested labor...by US citizens. 

 

frosty medical


The undocumented have no right to taxpayer paid services since their very presence here is illegal.

They aren't "common folk" - they are illegal.  Those with work permits are covered by their employer, at least in my state.

 

As far as E-verify goes - many states don't even enforce it.  Take a look at which ones (from 2016).

 

Numbers USA 05.27.2018 - Map of States with E-Verify Laws

 

My state does enforce it - Georgia - we hear of raids on various employers across the state frequently.  This opens up jobs for actual citizens.

 


Gail, you nailed it again.....that's eactly where the emphasis should be, on the employers.  Much easier to enforce.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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@Soosie wrote:

They also pay millions into Social Security and Medicare that they will not be able to use.
------------------------------------------------@Snoopy48
I would like to see your source of proof on this. Many of them use a fake SS number, so where does that money go? Years ago when a manager wanted to try some Mexicans in our workforce and could not be talked out of it, we discovered later they had fake SS numbers. One of the woman became pregnant and the medical source she used had other information than what we had on record. When told this, the medical provider said it didn't matter. Then, near Christmas, they all went back to Mexico for a long visit. No mention, just disappeared. Guess what, the jobs were filled with some employees who did not have all this baggage. They showed back up, same faces, different names and SS numbers. Honesty of any kind didn't seem to matter.
Also, in today's workforce, some that do have visas to work here are exempt from paying social security. Don't think you have current facts.

 

But they do have to file taxes under a TIN.


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