Honored Social Butterfly

What Trumpers Can't Admit about BLM - NOT MARXIST

The trained FAR right extremists sure love sound bites, because truth and understanding can be avoided by making claims that they "researched" a topic exhaustively, yet still are unable to share any facts or links to what they learn.  WHY?  If they did reasonably intelligent people could dispute them.


Case in point....Black Lives Matter is a Marxist organization.  Yet these FAR right provocateurs are unable to define what a "Marxist Organization" is; or provide any examples of Marxist behavior.


FACT - Black Lives Matter is a grass-root organization created after the murder of Trayvon Martin in 2015;


  • Black Lives Matter was founded by community organizers. One of the three co-founders said in 2015 that she and another co-founder “are trained Marxists.”

  • Black Lives Matter has grown into a national anti-racism movement broadly supported by Americans, few of whom would identify themselves as Marxist.

You will notice NONE on the far-right can even explain what a "trained Marxist is" or what these trained Marxists do that make them so.  A little bravado you think?


A poster here claimed his grand daughter was in the Coast Guard, but during the government shutdown, claimed NONE of his family was impacyrf by the shutdown.  Those paying attention recall that the Coast Gurad didn't receive pay during the shutdown.  This was pointed out to the poster and he just ignored it.  False bravado?  Maybe.  Just like p.o.'ing the far-right by claiming you were "Marvist trained"....did they get a diploma?


Is Black Lives Matter a Marxist movement?


Backlash against Black Lives Matter includes branding it as Marxist.


The attack has been made in recent weeks by Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer; Ben Carson, Trump’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development; conservative talk show host Mark Levin; and PragerU, which has more than 4 million Facebook followers.


Aren’t sure what Marxism is, actually? It was developed by 19th century German philosopher Karl Marx and is the basis for the theory of communism and socialism. "Marxism envisioned the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism by the proletariat (working class people) and eventually a classless communist society," Encyclopedia Britannica and Oxford Reference say.


These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal.  


In a recently surfaced 2015 interview, one of the three Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists." 


But the movement has grown and broadened dramatically. Many Americans, few of whom would identify as Marxists, support Black Lives Matter, drawn to its message of anti-racism.


"Regardless of whatever the professed politics of people may be who are prominent in the movement, they don’t represent its breadth," said Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Princeton University African American Studies professor and author of "From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation."


"There are definitely socialists within the movement, as there have been in every single social movement in 20th century American history and today. But that does not make those socialist movements, it makes them mass movements," she said. 

‘Trained Marxists’


In a Facebook post labeling Black Lives Matter as a Marxist movement, PragerU included a video interview with Carol Swain, a Black conservative and former professor at Vanderbilt and Princeton universities. She said, "Now, the founders of Black Lives Matter, they’ve come out as Marxists."


Swain alluded to Black Lives Matter’s three co-founders, who are still featured prominently on the group’s website — Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi. Their primary backgrounds are as community organizers, artists and writers. Swain, though, was referring to a newly surfaced interview Cullors did in 2015, where she said:


"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."


We didn’t find that Garza and Tometi have referred to themselves as Marxists. But the book publisher Penguin Random House has said Garza, an author, "describes herself as a queer social justice activist and Marxist."

What Black Lives Matter says


Black Lives Matter was formed in response to the 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed Black teenager, in Florida. The group calls its three co-founders "radical Black organizers." 


The project started with a mission "to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes," the group’s website says. "In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic and political power to thrive."


Included on its list of beliefs is one that has drawn criticism as being consistent with Marxism:


"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."


A spokesperson for Black Lives Matter; Kailee Scales, managing director at Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation; and the three co-founders did not reply to our requests for information.


"On one level, these are just put downs," University of Massachusetts Amherst economics professor Richard Wolff, author of "Understanding Marxism," told PolitiFact about the attacks on Black Lives Matter.


If people declare themselves Marxists, they are in effect Marxists, but "there really is no standard" of what Marxism is, "there’s no way to verify anything."

Black Lives Matter today


It’s important to recognize that movements evolve.


Noting Cullors’ declaration of being Marxist trained, "one has to take that seriously: if the leadership says it is Marxist, then there's a good chance they are," said Russell Berman, a professor at Stanford University and a senior fellow at its conservative Hoover Institution who has written critically about Marxism.


But "this does not mean every supporter is Marxist — Marxists often have used ‘useful idiots.’ And a Marxist movement can be more or less radical, at different points in time," he said.


Black Lives Matter’s "emphatic support for gender identity politics sets it apart from historical Marxism," and the goals listed on its website "do not appear to be expressly anti-capitalist, which would arguably be a Marxist identifier," Berman added. 


The group’s support is broad.


Even as some Americans express support for socialism, most view it negatively, and few of the supporters would identify themselves as Marxist. 


Meanwhile, 50% of registered voters support Black Lives Matter as of mid-July, up from 37% in April 2017, according to Civiqs, an online survey research firm.


In July, the New York Times reported that Black Lives Matter may be the largest movement in U.S. history, as four polls suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of Floyd and others in recent weeks. (That does not account for similar protests overseas.)


"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact. 


Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn’t actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."


Is Black Lives Matter a Marxist movement? 


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SOURCE - VERY Reliable; With 26 million people supporting BLM, most of which don't support socialism more less Marxism.  But it sure plays well with the lofo's that want to disparage a group that stands against the racists in this country.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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Trump supporters ludicrously attempt to contrive a tie in with BLM and Marxism while burying their heads in the sand to Trump's open praise and worship for COMMUNIST dictators!!!

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"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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Yes, it seems to be a dog whistle to rile up the base, by using the word marxist for every descriptive, or calling anyone that doesn’t support trump a liberal marxist. 
Made all the more interesting by how they totally overlook the fact that trump 

supporters are enabling a fascist authoritarian dictator, trump. 
They don’t seem to have a clue about the potential erosion of their rights and freedoms under 4 more years of trump...

nor are they interested in being warned...the certainly live in a bubble!

Social Butterfly

Black Lives don't Matter to Trump because they will never vote for him.


He panders to the Miami Cubans for his diverisity.

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Centristsin2010:   "I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact. 



That's spot on. There are labels the right uses to trigger Trump's base and it works every time. They don't understand or know much about marxism,but they dislike anything called marxist, so they all hate BLM even though they know little about it. 

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At this point it seems that efforts to demean and belittle the BLM movement are racially motivated, and the kkk, far right, white supremists, trump, and trump supporters, do not like like Black citizens, not “being in their place” and having supporters from across the spectrum, to join them to speak out for being treated with respect, dignity, and to feel safe from being shot on site. 
Sure seems like a normal request...for any human being. 

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