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To "beat China" in the Trade game, we must change the thinking of the Corporate Oligarchs who sent all our good manufacturing jobs to China BECAUSE THAT MADE MORE MONEY FOR THE OLIGARCHS.

 

The solution is to PROTECT American Workers from the rapacity of their Republican bosses with a "StakeHoldres Protection Act" so moving a job ANYWHERE requires the business to continue paying their displaced workers based on how long they've worked for the Company. This would range from a couple months for new workers to until retirement for those with over 15 years service. Then the Oligarchs will see improving equipment and training for the workers they have is a much better investment than giving the workers' jobs to commie slaves in Asia.

 

Then to drive the message home, repeal the Reagan Taxscam so the Oligarchs cannot keep all the profits for themselves and must either share them with the workers who produced the profit OR hand it over to the Government in their personal income tax. This part worked without a hitch for 40 years during which America's economy grew at TWICE the rate since Reagan and every year the gap between rich and poor SHRANK.

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What Are The Ideas from the Democrats ? Inquiring Minds want to know.

 

This post has been up for a day and  two and no mention of climate change caused by human activities.

 

Progressive Democrats talk about a Green New Deal,  reducing the dependence on fossil fuels, rising sea levels, ice melting. 

 

We are in a climate emergency, a gun violence emergency, a debt emergency, a health care emergency, a Social Security emergency, a Medicare emergency,  a race violence emergency, a threat to democracy emergency, a drug dependence / addictive substance industrial complex emergency, an endless war emergency. 

 

I think corporate Democrats have most of that on the back burner.

 

I think Republicans deny most of those problems  even exist. 

 

That is a lot of problems, Elizabeth Warren has a plan, Bernie Sanders has been leading on this stuff all his life, Tulsi Gabbard addresses the cost of war,  even  middle of the road  democrats like Biden and Harris at least pay lip service to those issues.

 

My position is we're out of time, we need action now, we don't have time to kick the can down the road.

 

 

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Which Democrats said China was an ecomomic aggressor?  I missed that part.


You can read the NYT link or here is another one 

WAPost 09/07/2019 Trump Trade War With China Scrambles Democrats'strategy

 

Just catching up on my reading and this has been covered a lot the last few days in lots of publications.  Seems many of them agree with the strategy but they are protective of products from their own neck of the woods.

 

American companies are moving out of China but they aren't coming back here - could we get them to come back here ? How?

 

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Which Democrats said China was an ecomomic aggressor?  I missed that part.

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Oh, the usual. Gun control. Universal health care, significantly reduce the deficit, improve the lives of the poor, bring back economic upward mobility, take away monopoly powers, enforce the Constitution, protect the right to vote...........same old. same old

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What are the Democrats ideas - ?

 

New York Times 08/10/2019 - Democrats’ 2020 Problem: How to Be Tougher on Trade Than Trump

 

. . . . For years, Democrats in Congress have been warning that China is an economic aggressor bent on undermining American industry. They have denounced the North American Free Trade Agreement for outsourcing jobs and criticized China for manipulating its currency to make Chinese products cheaper. They have vowed to use federal procurement, tariffs and other tools to help American workers.

 

Mr. Trump has stolen that playbook and gone further.. . . .

 

. . . . So far, many of these efforts have not produced the kind of change Mr. Trump promised. . . . .

 

But Mr. Trump’s trade assault has put Democrats in an awkward spot. They are trying to figure out how to differentiate themselves from Mr. Trump — without ceding their position as the party that will do the most to defend workers against the downsides of globalization.

 

So far, they are divided between two very different approaches. On one side are Democratic lawmakers and presidential candidates who hew more closely to Mr. Trump’s isolationist approach, arguing that trade pacts have sold out workers in favor of corporations. On the other are those advocating the type of engagement undertaken by previous Democratic administrations, including those of Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, to try to gain more influence over other countries through negotiation and trade.

 

The party is split along familiar lines, with progressives like Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont calling for a more radical transformation of trade policy, and moderates like former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. espousing a more traditional approach.

 

That division is exposing a vulnerability for a party that has historically embraced a tougher stance on free trade than Republicans but has seen that position erode with the ascension of moderate Democrats like Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama.

 

Progressives who had railed against trade pacts for years felt shunted aside in the Clinton administration, as pro-trade Democrats brought China into the World Trade Organization and finished NAFTA, a trade deal begun by President George Bush. They felt similarly ignored by the Obama administration, which pushed ahead with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a multicountry trade pact, despite complaints that the deal was a boon to drug companies, would allow foreign automakers to flood the American market and overlooked labor violations in countries like Vietnam and Malaysia.

 

For now, many of the Democratic candidates are characterizing Mr. Trump’s trade policy as haphazard and inept. But some have also praised him for pursuing policies they have backed for years.

 

“I think President Trump was onto something when he talked about China,” Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio said last month in the second Democratic debate in Detroit. “China has been abusing the economic system for a long time. They steal intellectual property. They subsidize goods coming into this country. They’ve displaced steel workers, autoworkers, across the board, eroded our manufacturing.”

 

“So I think we need some targeted response against China,” Mr. Ryan added. “But you know how you beat China? You outcompete them.”

 

Mr. Ryan and other candidates spent much of the recent debate denouncing Mr. Trump’s trade war as a conflict without winners. But they offered few concrete ideas for how to better position the United States against China’s growing economic ambitions. And while the candidates were united in saying Mr. Trump’s tariffs were not the solution, only Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii would commit to rolling them back once in office.

 

More at the NY Times link ~

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