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Are you saying the Trump appointed Republicans running "all" of our federal intel organizations have been lieing about the Russians? All of them?

 

Delusion? If that is so, it is a Republican  delusion.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Centrist wrote, "Are you, Jim?  Maybe you can put the RV in reverse and get trapped back in your over 400 posts about the faux deep state...."'

 

So True!

 

Centrist, do you remember about 2-3 months ago, when JimC was begging the Dems to impeach Trump?. His argument was that would clinch the re-election of his hero in the White House. 

 

But now that it appears as if the Dems will actually impeach his hero in the White House, it sounds as if he's going into panic mode. He's doing what he always does, trying to change public opinion with his non-stop uploading of right wing conspiracy theories. 


Great point, CeeTee.  I had forgotten who that was.....

 

Image result for throw **bleep** against the wall gif

 

giphy.gifYou Are SOOOOOO, Right CeeTee!!!


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Centrist wrote, "Are you, Jim?  Maybe you can put the RV in reverse and get trapped back in your over 400 posts about the faux deep state...."'

 

So True!

 

Centrist, do you remember about 2-3 months ago, when JimC was begging the Dems to impeach Trump?. His argument was that would clinch the re-election of his hero in the White House. 

 

But now that it appears as if the Dems will actually impeach his hero in the White House, it sounds as if he's going into panic mode. He's doing what he always does, trying to change public opinion with his non-stop uploading of right wing conspiracy theories. 

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The regressives seem to have a hard time differentiating between the Russians and the Ukraine.  The Russians backed Trump in the 2016 election as "their guy".  Something which gives pause to any American patriot.  For the  2020 election,  Trump tried to enlist the aid of the Ukrainian government . This was a huge failure mostly because Trump was too incompetent to pull it off but also because there was a patriot on the call.  It seems Trump and patriots do not mix well. 

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well said as usual william. Trump still can't let go of Hillary. I think he is still mad as you pointed out she got 3 mill more votes than he did.
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The Dems delusion? Please...who cannot let go of the 2016 election...trump!

This is why he has sent barr on a witch-hunt to discredit our Intelligence agencies findings of russian intervention in the election...trump knows he is not a credible president...he got his rear thumped by 3 million! That many voters did not want him as President. 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

Are you, Jim?  Maybe you can put the RV in reverse and get trapped back in your over 400 posts about the faux deep state.....


   So correct, the only person / people who are continuing to complain are those who have not read the Mueller Report.    Instead they rely on "others" to tell them - due diligence is not required.    

    Perhaps that is why they are never able to connect the dots to other countries and the leadership that their current regime is repeating.     

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Collusion with Russia was NO illusion. In fact it worked so well, Trump tried it again with the Ukraine. But this time it appears he may have done something criminal, again. This time, hopefully he will pay a price.
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@jimc91 wrote:

BY: Rich Lowery

 

After three years, we’re still on the Russia story. The locus has shifted 500 miles west from Moscow to Kiev, and now we are consumed with the Ukraine controversy rather than the Russia probe, though it’s essentially the same thing — a battle over President Trump’s legitimacy fought out with allegations of foreign interference.

 

Democrats are trying to widen the Ukraine controversy, which centers on Trump’s mention of the Bidens on his call with his Ukrainian counterpart. They want to drag in his urging Ukraine, Australia and others to cooperate with William Barr’s investigation of the origins of the Russia probe.

 

There’s nothing wrong or ­unusual about a US president asking foreign leaders to provide information useful to his attorney general in an investigation. Why would there be? Except the president’s detractors don’t consider Barr’s investigation above-board. In fact, they consider it another form of Trump’s perfidy.

 

In its report on Trump’s call with the Australian prime minister, The New York Times says — in a news report, mind you — that the call “shows the president using high-level diplomacy to advance his personal political interests.” Trump is pleased with Barr’s ­investigation and would be even more pleased if it unearthed anything untoward. That doesn’t make it merely a pet political project or mean that there isn’t a genuine public interest in knowing in greater detail how and why the Russia story got started.

 

The Times of London reported of Trump’s call to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson that he wanted “to gather evidence to ­undermine the investigation into his campaign’s links to Russia.” There’s not really anything to undermine, though, since the investigation has been over for months.

Trump is basically being ­accused of the entirely new ­offense of obstruction after the fact. There were many novel theories of obstruction advanced during the special counsel probe, but this is the most creative.

 

The Russia investigation figures into the Ukraine story in another way. It’s not clear that even Democrats would consider his Ukraine call impeachable if it weren’t for their belief that Trump has gotten away with so much previously, as catalogued in the Mueller report.

 

There was already backing in the House for impeachment prior to the Ukraine whistleblower, and House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler already said he was conducting an ­impeachment inquiry.

Even the framework of the Ukraine matter reflects the Russia story. Trump’s critics say he was asking for Ukrainian “interference” in our elections, when what was really going on was that he and Rudy Giuliani were interfering in Ukrainian politics. They were pushing the Ukrainians to undertake investigations, including, of course, into Joe Biden’s ­actions in the country.

 

If you accept the premise that any information developed in a foreign country and used in American politics is election ­interference, then Trump’s opponents themselves were masters at leveraging Ukrainian interference during the 2016 election.

 

As Politico reported in 2017, Ukrainian government officials “helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.”

 

Giuliani’s Ukraine adventure was motivated, in large part, by the desire to get to the bottom of this activity in 2016 and turn the tables on Trump’s critics. (Instead, he appears to have turned the tables on himself.)

 

There will be lots of comparisons with the 1990s as the House moves toward impeachment. Yet, the 1790s might be the more apt comparison. Back then, at the outset of the republic, each ­nascent political party was consumed with the idea that the other was a tool of a foreign power, either France or Britain, and believed that the other was a fundamental threat to American democracy. It made for particularly vitriolic politics.

 

Today, the Democrats still have not gotten beyond the idea that Trump is somehow a tool of Russia, while Republicans point to Democratic coordination with shadowy foreign forces to get the Russia investigation rolling. Books fly off the shelves about Trump being an alleged fascist, and Republicans are gripped by a Flight 93 mentality that fears if they lose a presidential election, they will never win another one again.

 

The Russian story contributed to and fed off this feverish ­atmosphere. For the longest time, it offered Democrats the hope of deliverance from a president whose election they never truly accepted. When Robert Mueller didn’t have the goods, House Democrats were at sea for a while, until Trump’s call and the whistleblower complaint brought impeachment deliciously back into play.

 

Ukraine is more an epilogue of the Russian investigation than the beginning of a new book.

 

 



@jimc91 wrote:

BY: Rich Lowery

 

After three years, we’re still on the Russia story. The locus has shifted 500 miles west from Moscow to Kiev, and now we are consumed with the Ukraine controversy rather than the Russia probe, though it’s essentially the same thing — a battle over President Trump’s legitimacy fought out with allegations of foreign interference.

 

Democrats are trying to widen the Ukraine controversy, which centers on Trump’s mention of the Bidens on his call with his Ukrainian counterpart. They want to drag in his urging Ukraine, Australia and others to cooperate with William Barr’s investigation of the origins of the Russia probe.

 

There’s nothing wrong or ­unusual about a US president asking foreign leaders to provide information useful to his attorney general in an investigation. Why would there be? Except the president’s detractors don’t consider Barr’s investigation above-board. In fact, they consider it another form of Trump’s perfidy.

 

In its report on Trump’s call with the Australian prime minister, The New York Times says — in a news report, mind you — that the call “shows the president using high-level diplomacy to advance his personal political interests.” Trump is pleased with Barr’s ­investigation and would be even more pleased if it unearthed anything untoward. That doesn’t make it merely a pet political project or mean that there isn’t a genuine public interest in knowing in greater detail how and why the Russia story got started.

 

The Times of London reported of Trump’s call to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson that he wanted “to gather evidence to ­undermine the investigation into his campaign’s links to Russia.” There’s not really anything to undermine, though, since the investigation has been over for months.

Trump is basically being ­accused of the entirely new ­offense of obstruction after the fact. There were many novel theories of obstruction advanced during the special counsel probe, but this is the most creative.

 

The Russia investigation figures into the Ukraine story in another way. It’s not clear that even Democrats would consider his Ukraine call impeachable if it weren’t for their belief that Trump has gotten away with so much previously, as catalogued in the Mueller report.

 

There was already backing in the House for impeachment prior to the Ukraine whistleblower, and House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler already said he was conducting an ­impeachment inquiry.

Even the framework of the Ukraine matter reflects the Russia story. Trump’s critics say he was asking for Ukrainian “interference” in our elections, when what was really going on was that he and Rudy Giuliani were interfering in Ukrainian politics. They were pushing the Ukrainians to undertake investigations, including, of course, into Joe Biden’s ­actions in the country.

 

If you accept the premise that any information developed in a foreign country and used in American politics is election ­interference, then Trump’s opponents themselves were masters at leveraging Ukrainian interference during the 2016 election.

 

As Politico reported in 2017, Ukrainian government officials “helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.”

 

Giuliani’s Ukraine adventure was motivated, in large part, by the desire to get to the bottom of this activity in 2016 and turn the tables on Trump’s critics. (Instead, he appears to have turned the tables on himself.)

 

There will be lots of comparisons with the 1990s as the House moves toward impeachment. Yet, the 1790s might be the more apt comparison. Back then, at the outset of the republic, each ­nascent political party was consumed with the idea that the other was a tool of a foreign power, either France or Britain, and believed that the other was a fundamental threat to American democracy. It made for particularly vitriolic politics.

 

Today, the Democrats still have not gotten beyond the idea that Trump is somehow a tool of Russia, while Republicans point to Democratic coordination with shadowy foreign forces to get the Russia investigation rolling. Books fly off the shelves about Trump being an alleged fascist, and Republicans are gripped by a Flight 93 mentality that fears if they lose a presidential election, they will never win another one again.

 

The Russian story contributed to and fed off this feverish ­atmosphere. For the longest time, it offered Democrats the hope of deliverance from a president whose election they never truly accepted. When Robert Mueller didn’t have the goods, House Democrats were at sea for a while, until Trump’s call and the whistleblower complaint brought impeachment deliciously back into play.

 

Ukraine is more an epilogue of the Russian investigation than the beginning of a new book.

 

 


Here we go again. A diversion. Poor Rich he did leave some out. Now if you watch RT you will see what he left out. Russia did nothing in 2016 it was Ukraine who did it all for Hillery. Trump has been pushing the same line. Our Intel people have show that to be untrue, and what poor Rich tells us this is not true. His article is for the enablers to make them think they are in a great effort to improve  the USA rather than helping Hitler (Trump) take over. With the far right you can fool them all the time. Go watch RT and you will see where the far right are heading on this. The word right from Putin. Lets hope Rudy does sure as that will put him in court under oath, and then Rudy wears orange.

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