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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

  I am currently working on a Free Speech project.   One of my assignments was to review the local  Police Union Contract.    That then expanded to reading Police Union contracts from around the nation.     Few mention Crisis Intervention Training or re-training.

 

   That should be added to all Police Department training and yes citizens should / could be involved by both attending and speaking to this issue so that local and State legislators start hearing that citizens are demanding CIT training and working with National Alliance on Mental Health.  


Thank you for your efforts in this area, afisher.

 

It appears that some believe if someone is in crises, it's best just to shoot them.  And many of these pathetic folks call themselves "Christians"....quite the oxy***ron.

 

We CAN do better....


I have seen no one state that those in crisis should be shot. Would you care to offer examples - or remove that statement?

 

What has the introduction of religion to do with this? It seems it is no more than just one more excuse to attack Christians.

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

 

Hey, "rk" any thoughts on the topic?

 

@rk9152

Sure - I totally agree.

 


 

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@afisher wrote:

  I am currently working on a Free Speech project.   One of my assignments was to review the local  Police Union Contract.    That then expanded to reading Police Union contracts from around the nation.     Few mention Crisis Intervention Training or re-training.

 

   That should be added to all Police Department training and yes citizens should / could be involved by both attending and speaking to this issue so that local and State legislators start hearing that citizens are demanding CIT training and working with National Alliance on Mental Health.  


I’m not sure if you are still working on this or not.....have you or did you come across the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights? It’s been codified by several states as state law. And many police union contracts contain it, or much of it. It can impede appropriate discipline of a police officer, depending on the bargained disciplinary steps.

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Good points, afisher!

 

Good luck on the project.


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

 

 

Now, wanna talk about police killings and how unnecessary many of the are?  You know, the actual topic!


But of course not !!!


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

 

Let's work on ways to "stop the shooting" on our streets, and then worry about additional training in "non-violent policing".


I thought we could walk and chew gum at the same time.  Not that tough.


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I would submit that everyone already knows that a perp with a knife, if kept a small distance from a potential vic, including a cop, is no immediate threat.

 

But how many times would a perp with a knife attack you or one of your co-workers before that "small distance" grows from a few feet to a few furlongs?

 

I really think a re-watch of Ken Burns excellent series THE WAR will open anyone's eyes to the devistating impact of being in a "combat situation" every day has on an otherwise perfectly reasonable, kind and gentle American.

 

Pretty sure they all received some classroom time concerning treatment of prisoners, the Geneva Convention and such like, and they received a near-infinate greater Sunday School education in Tho Shalt Not Kill and Love Your Enemy than well over half of Americans receive today. Still, they behaved pretty badly on a number of occasions, yet were still decent Americans when the shooting stopped.

 

Let's work on ways to "stop the shooting" on our streets, and then worry about additional training in "non-violent policing".

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Let’s go back to that Dallas shooting. Unfortunately, the video camera doesn’t capture the critical moments immediately prior to the shooting. But it does capture the initial police contact with Harrison. Let’s assume for a moment that the police account of the incident is 100 percent true — that Harrison did come at them with the screwdriver. The question we should be asking isn’t whether or not the police decision to shoot Harrison at that moment was justified. The question we should be asking is whether the interaction ever should have reached that moment. Or, to go back to our more basic question: Was this shooting necessary?

 

The video strongly suggests that it wasn’t. Why were two patrol officers responding to a call about a possibly schizophrenic man? Would it be better for a mental health professional to have accompanied them? If Dallas police officers are going to be the first responders to calls about mentally ill people who have possibly become dangerous, are they at least given training on how to interact with those people? Are they taught how to deescalate these situations?

 

From the video, it seems clear that these particular police officers did the escalating, not Harrison. It’s the cops who begin yelling and who take a confrontational stance.


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Hi all,

This thread is starting to get off-topic. While you may have different opinions, please remember to be respectful of one another as our guidelines state: This is a diverse community of people with diverse opinions. It is up to each of us to be polite and treat each other with respect.

You can read the full guidelines here: http://community.aarp.org/t5/custom/page/page-id/Guidelines

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Thank you for indicating you have no intention on discussing the actual topic but prefer to post distortions (LIES) about what others post.  Not interested in your intellectually dishonesty.


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