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Wash. State Fed. Judge issues temp. injunction against USPS

A judge in Yakima Wash. has ruled a temporary injunction against the USPS that halts changes by the Postal Service ahead of the Nov. 3rd election.

 

Judge says Postal Service under a "politically motivated attack."

 

U.S. District Court Judge Stanley Bastian issued the preliminary injunction that would block controversial changes implemented under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy to save money.

In his ruling from the bench, Bastian noted President Donald Trump’s repeated attacks on vote-by-mail and his unfounded claims that it is rife with fraud. Bastian said the defendants took the “remarkable” position that nothing had changed in the approach to election mail.

“This is simply not true,” Bastian wrote. “The states have demonstrated the defendants are involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the Postal Service.

 

 

My Wash. State AG said:

 

“Today’s victory protects a critical institution for our country,” Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said in a statement. “Americans can now confidently vote by mail and have their voices heard.

 

"politically motivated attack"

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I think it is insane to expect the USPS to compete with anyone.  If private industry can make a profit providing a service, it should be allowed to do so.  If private industry can not make a profit providing an essential service such as door to door postal delivery, it should be done by the government at the lowest cost and price possible while still being effective.  

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@Richva wrote:

I think it is insane to expect the USPS to compete with anyone.  If private industry can make a profit providing a service, it should be allowed to do so.  If private industry can not make a profit providing an essential service such as door to door postal delivery, it should be done by the government at the lowest cost and price possible while still being effective.  


The USPS doesn't have to make a profit but it would be nice for them to cover the cost especially in those areas where they are the middle-men.  Remember, they have expanded their services to pick up some deliveries for private industry.  They can negotiate contract with these businesses for delivery.  So in that respect, they have to be able to make sure these cost are not only covered but profitable for them - otherwise, taxpayers are subsidizing these businesses.  I am sure that you wouldn't agree with that sort of subsidy. 

 

Now on the other side of the coin - this sort of service has been something that has worked for the positive with the USPS but for it to last they have to provide that "last mile of service" at an attractive rate to the businesses (well, mostly Amazon).  Amazon's own delivering service is growing very, very fast -

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/12/19/21029932/amazon-logistics-delivery-network-fedex-ups-usps 

 

So what happens when Amazon takes on more and more of these deliveries.  What happens if they decide to take over a lot more of the (smaller package) delivery business - who do you think that is gonna hurt the most - THE USPS.  So in a way, the USPS is forced to compete in the marketplace.

The Government could not subsidize the USPS in this (smaller package) delivery market - because the government is not suppose to compete with private businesses.

 

So we can't charge them too much because we don't want to subsidize them but yet we don't want to charge them too much because they might just figure out how to deliver their own cheaper.

Letters and other sort of paper-type mail is getting to be pretty much a dying breed anyway with email, electronic fax, text, online advertising, online bill receipt and paying.  This transition has been speed up with the pandemic.

 

Wouldn't the next step be, sometimes in the future, that a private contractor like Amazon begins to deliver these smaller packages to citizens.

 

That is really the main reason why the USPS has been asked to fund that Retiree Health Fund because they, as we currently know it, may not be around in 75 years (or less) - so prefunding it would at least cover the last remaining employees in their retirement.

 

Read the writing on the wall - how do you see the USPS staying in existence as it is today in the future?

 

 

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Well all should not get to excited on this right now, nor shouldwe get into long articles on the Post Office as fact.

We just saw what happened with the CDC, and people in here were spending time on back and forth on what the CD had put out. Connect the dots.

On the surface it is a good ruling, but can be appalled which can drag it on for about one year.

Trump can do what he has done many times just ignore the court order.

All should keep in mind they can not put the machines back into operation as some were destroyed, and on the others it takes a lot of time. My guess about 3 months. The people rules can be put back to where they were now.

It looks like Trump will get well over 50% of what he wanted by these moves for election day. You saw another ploy by Trump. The postal service put out a mail in ballot letter outlining what one should do to vote. What you do to vote by mail is different in just about every state so the letter just causes confusion, and will increase the number rejected. Yes the court stopped that to but it was  and is out there.

Trump at work . Do not get to excited on all of this, and do not waste time in long discussions. Spend time working to end Trump as that ends this problem.

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USPS spent $6 billion on retirement benefits alone and employs nearly 640,000 workers which I don't consider a "LOSS". . Actually our GOVT ie congress--the presidency the IRS etc etc is not profitable either......

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@JANMB wrote:

USPS spent $6 billion on retirement benefits alone and employs nearly 640,000 workers which I don't consider a "LOSS". . Actually our GOVT ie congress--the presidency the IRS etc etc is not profitable either......


And the military is not expected to be either.

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The Untied States of America is not a profit center.

Look at our national deficit and trade deficit.

 

The post office loss is not even .o1 percent of this loss.

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@Tom5678 wrote:

Judge says Postal Service under a "politically motivated attack."

 

U.S. District Court Judge Stanley Bastian - from the bench - noted President Donald Trump’s repeated attacks on vote-by-mail and his unfounded claims that it is rife with fraud.

.... defendants took the “remarkable” position that nothing had changed in the approach to election mail.

 

“This is simply not true,” Bastian wrote. “The states have demonstrated the defendants are involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the Postal Service.

 

A good ruling.  Not to be attack/bullied by you-know-who.  If rumpstickle goes the appeal route here, his argument, his (not there) defense goes to the Federal Circuit Court where claims against the government under the Tucker Act, are heard. The man can not tap dance fast enough for what (apparently due to his horoscope) has been handed to him.  He will not be sending the National Guard to oversee USPS mail processes.  He might mention it though.

 


.... claims against the U.S. government under the Tucker Act, which are appealed to the Federal Circuit.

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A good step to neutralize dejoy and trump. And it’s good to see the judge itemize the damage done to the USPS. 
Thankfully, denoting that this was politically motivated, and not an act promoting efficiencies. Then, ordering them to put it back together, in it’s previous condition...it was working just fine before dejoy started destroying it. 
Stay tuned, let’s see what kind of bull stuff that trump and gang comes up with. 

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and another huge blow to Trump today:

 

 

Michigan Judge extends mail voting 

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