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@cm9889168 wrote:

That was perfectly summed up in your one sentence:

"I Live on the New England Coast - we have 10's of Thousands of Canadians visit every Summer"

 

The keyword there is 'visit'.  I notice you didn't say 'move here' or 'live here'.  Of course you welcome them, you're not supporting them, and they're helping to support you and your economy with their visit.  Then they go back home until the next year when they bring their money back.

 

The invasion of our southern border is just that - an invasion!  Just watch the videos of them storming Mexico's border and throwing rocks (among other things), and tearing down fences.  What other American laws do you think they shouldn't have to obey?  I'm for LEGAL immigration but not breaking our laws.  Too many break our laws, not just by entering illegally but by killings, rapes, robberies, selling drugs, etc. and then they get deported without serving time and just come back again.  RIP Kate Steinle


There are 1,000 of Canadians who live in the US part time, and full time. There is a town in FL that is just about all Canadians. SJ Coast town where I went was full of Canadians. Have you ever been to the southern border? I was there 2 weeks ago. When we hit the Interstate to the border all the road signs for mileage changed to KM from miles. Saw a lot of Mexican plates on cars, and the people were the same as the locals. Where I live we see cars from Mexico all the time. You have not a clue what you are talking about. By the way a lot of our people run to Mexico to avoid our law. The leader of a Trump gang on the west coast fled south to avoid the FBI. We just saw a person arrested by Mexico for bringing in ammo. There are gun smuggling rings in the US who move guns to Mexico. A mayor and about 5 others in my state were arrested and convicted of it. Learn your subject from other than Trump.


Nice story you seeing Mexico arresting someone for bringing in ammo....Mexico arrests ANYONE who crosses their border even by accident so that's nothing new.

Have you ever LIVED by the southern border, or do you just come to visit once and a while?  If you lived close to the border would you want to know who is coming across?  Or would you welcome them all into your town or your home not knowing?

 

You're the one who talked about the Canadians coming to 'visit' each year....you didn't say they LIVE there...only how nice they were when they 'visited' and went back home after spending their money there.  That was the discussion.

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Interesting that trump is trying to compare this group of immigrants to being the same threat scenario as confederate Pickett’s charge consisting of thousands of soldiers against the wall of Union forces at Gettysburg...really!

Except that trump would have rooted for the confederacy. And these are not armed individuals. 

And if applying for asylum is legal, shouldn’t we help to assist, not try to delay, deny, block, or steal children. Not all will be granted asylum, but should at least have the opportunity to apply. 


No one said they shouldn't have a chance to apply.  Most are in favor of 'legal' immigration, including Pres Trump.  But it has to be done by law and not through being invaded by 7,000 when we don't know who it is coming into our country.  Drugs, diseases, guns, they have to be vetted.  Get in line and apply and do it legally like legal immigrants have done.  What do you think would happen to us American citizens if we just walked across Mexico's border?  We'd be arrested immediately and thrown in jail for a very long time, and everyone know's that.  There's been documentaries about it.

 

And why should our country be racist and only allow those south of our border to enter?  There are far more desperate people from other countries why REALLY have nothing...who learn English and want to support themselves so they don't have to live off our Country.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

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Isn't that an awfully extreme number of troops heading towards the Border.


It's absurd, Trump is trying to act like he's saving America from a Armed Invasion from a hostile Army

 

 

 

 


The pictures I see of the caravan show many more men of military age carrying a flag that is NOT the American flag.  How do you know none of them are armed with ill intent?

 

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Yeah - Good Point

 

 

 

If you watch the Video of these people Marching in the USA they are carrying this Fascist Flag

 

 

Fascist Flag.png

 

 

 There was Ill Intent - A American Died - Killed Purposefully by one of these thugs in the Video

 

Source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL9QCrcuio8

 

Have you noticed the topic? 


 


I did - but as you know I'm always gathering stays & trying to point then in the right direction ..... I think it's because I grew up watching Rowdy Yates on Rawhide - anyway someone mentioned how afraid Trump had made them about the Caravan & all the scary Flags they had seen on Fox News

 

I tried to show him some of the Trump Cult Flags & pointed out that when the Trump Cult Marches flying their Flags Chanting Fascist Slogans - out of 350 Million Americans only one was murdered

 

Kind of putting things in perspective so the uninformed have some exposure to fact-based information

 

Heh heh

 

You are not following - the topic is people stating their desire to move here do to oppression while carrying flags of the supposed oppressor nation, not American citizens expressing their views with flags or banners.

 

But, as is common from the left, can't deal with the logic so type "Trump Cult", "Fascist", etc. and then - Giggle-giggle!!


No - the Topic is about Trump - Attempting to Distract the American Voters by conjuring up some Conspiracy Theory about a Imminent Invasion of the USA by a Savage Horde from Central America who have already taken over Mexico and are now threateniing to Rape & Kill White America & over throw the US Government by mobilizing the Millions of Spanish Speaking residents already in sleeper cells within the USA

 

But Don't Worry - Even After Being Hobbled With Bone Spurs & forced to use a Unsecured Phone - The Commander & Chief has a plan to thwart the Invasion

 

Hence , the Title of the Thread - WAG THE DOG

 

 


Two points;

1. The President did not create the caravans so your entire "distract" concept has no value;

2. When Obama reacted in a similar way - was he wagging a dog?


Trump

 

Trump Created the Reality TV Show on the Border - Where Media From All Over The World Will Be Lying in Wait - Hoping to be the one who gets - THE PHOTO - of anyone even looking like American Military injuring or killing a Honduran Immigrant

 

WHATABOUTISM

 

Obama was never responsible for the Largest Domestic US Military Deployment in Peace Time in History

 

 


Pres Trump was NOT responsible for creating the problem at the border:  (1) It was Obama who first broke the law with his DACA signing and never protected our borders and allowed illegals to break our laws; and thousands walked in (and then Obama was the one who put children in cages.  (2) Were the Liberals who encouraged the illegals to walk through our borders and break our laws...hoping they'd get more illegals votes.

Also, it is the Fake News Media and Liberals who are lying in wait to see an illegal (who is breaking the law) killed so they can gloat over it and think it improves their lowest of ratings (CNN).

 

You are correct that Obama was never responsible for the largest domestic US Military deployment in peace time in history....because Do-Nothing-Obama never did anything to protect our country or our military....allowing our men to die in Benghazi...he just wanted to campaign endlessly and chat it up with Hollywood when he wasn't apologizing for America and bowing down to foreign leaders.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Looks like there isn't going to be a showdown at the border with troops shooting kids with rocks. Or anything else.

 

The Joint Chiefs chair says soldiers will not be involved in denying border entry to migrants cnn.it/2DrYRxo


He reports to Trump and if Trump says they deny entry, they deny entry! As chief advisor for the military his advice will be considered but Trump has the final say so.


You need to learn the subject. The law Trumps Trump and the law says no military doing police work on the border. The Joint Chiefs will follow the law. They have already changed things that Trump wanted, and have not done things the way Trump wanted. They have a policy that any orders from the WH are referred to the Joint Chief before implementing. Have you ever been to the southern border? That machine will not work very well there even if used by the border patrol.


You need to learn the subject. The troops can be used any way Trump wants to use them for an "invading force of illegal aliens". Posse Comitatus was intended to prevent the military from policing our citizens - NOT an invasion from aliens at our border.

 

"The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.....Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”

 

 

Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/


You do not understand the subject.They can not be used by Trump anyway he wants and yuou site the law which applies in this case. The military has even agreed to that, and that is why the Sec. of Defence told the WH they will not send troops to guard the border, but as support to the border patrol as before. Trump would use the military against civilians now if he could, and will use them that way if he gains full control as full Dictator which is his aim. I say again have you ever been to the Southern border? Right now the biggest threat are the far right nuts going to the border to act as policeman like they did some years  ago. Even they can not be shot by the military now helping at the border even though they steal equipment from them. Oh how little the far right know.


You, my friend do not understand any part of what Trump can or cannot do! An invading force (which it is) can be defended by the military. The military cannot be used as a police force against its citizens. How little the left wing knows!


I understand the subject you do not. Now here is what happened. WH wanted troops to police the border as the  caravan was coming. They told the Armed Forces to defend the country. The armed forces always do a mission report, battle plan call it what ever you want. They did that and made a report back to the Sec of Defence. That report said there was no military threat to the US from the caravan . The Sec. of Defence then told the WH  they would send troops to assist the border patrol as was already being done. That report was leaked to the press and made public weeks ago. So you see there is no invading force except in the minds of the far right enablers. This was the first test by Dictator Trump to see if he could use the military as it is now run to be part of his dictatorship . You will find the military can be a big obstacle when an elected person moves to become a Dictator. Turkey is an example where the military tried to  stop the dictator and failed. Germany is an example of where the military joined the dictator. By the way if you read about who might be leaving the Trump circle of dept. heads after the election you will now find the Sec. of Defence being talked about  to possibly leave. As I said before you do not understand this area in any way shape or form.

The argument is pointless with someone who knows everything. I bow to your extreme knowledge of everything.


You are correct what I told you is the truth and there is no argument with the truth, and that is why the far right loose arguments.

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@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Looks like there isn't going to be a showdown at the border with troops shooting kids with rocks. Or anything else.

 

The Joint Chiefs chair says soldiers will not be involved in denying border entry to migrants cnn.it/2DrYRxo


He reports to Trump and if Trump says they deny entry, they deny entry! As chief advisor for the military his advice will be considered but Trump has the final say so.


You need to learn the subject. The law Trumps Trump and the law says no military doing police work on the border. The Joint Chiefs will follow the law. They have already changed things that Trump wanted, and have not done things the way Trump wanted. They have a policy that any orders from the WH are referred to the Joint Chief before implementing. Have you ever been to the southern border? That machine will not work very well there even if used by the border patrol.


You need to learn the subject. The troops can be used any way Trump wants to use them for an "invading force of illegal aliens". Posse Comitatus was intended to prevent the military from policing our citizens - NOT an invasion from aliens at our border.

 

"The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.....Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”

 

 

Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/


You do not understand the subject.They can not be used by Trump anyway he wants and yuou site the law which applies in this case. The military has even agreed to that, and that is why the Sec. of Defence told the WH they will not send troops to guard the border, but as support to the border patrol as before. Trump would use the military against civilians now if he could, and will use them that way if he gains full control as full Dictator which is his aim. I say again have you ever been to the Southern border? Right now the biggest threat are the far right nuts going to the border to act as policeman like they did some years  ago. Even they can not be shot by the military now helping at the border even though they steal equipment from them. Oh how little the far right know.


You, my friend do not understand any part of what Trump can or cannot do! An invading force (which it is) can be defended by the military. The military cannot be used as a police force against its citizens. How little the left wing knows!


I understand the subject you do not. Now here is what happened. WH wanted troops to police the border as the  caravan was coming. They told the Armed Forces to defend the country. The armed forces always do a mission report, battle plan call it what ever you want. They did that and made a report back to the Sec of Defence. That report said there was no military threat to the US from the caravan . The Sec. of Defence then told the WH  they would send troops to assist the border patrol as was already being done. That report was leaked to the press and made public weeks ago. So you see there is no invading force except in the minds of the far right enablers. This was the first test by Dictator Trump to see if he could use the military as it is now run to be part of his dictatorship . You will find the military can be a big obstacle when an elected person moves to become a Dictator. Turkey is an example where the military tried to  stop the dictator and failed. Germany is an example of where the military joined the dictator. By the way if you read about who might be leaving the Trump circle of dept. heads after the election you will now find the Sec. of Defence being talked about  to possibly leave. As I said before you do not understand this area in any way shape or form.

The argument is pointless with someone who knows everything. I bow to your extreme knowledge of everything.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Looks like there isn't going to be a showdown at the border with troops shooting kids with rocks. Or anything else.

 

The Joint Chiefs chair says soldiers will not be involved in denying border entry to migrants cnn.it/2DrYRxo


He reports to Trump and if Trump says they deny entry, they deny entry! As chief advisor for the military his advice will be considered but Trump has the final say so.


You need to learn the subject. The law Trumps Trump and the law says no military doing police work on the border. The Joint Chiefs will follow the law. They have already changed things that Trump wanted, and have not done things the way Trump wanted. They have a policy that any orders from the WH are referred to the Joint Chief before implementing. Have you ever been to the southern border? That machine will not work very well there even if used by the border patrol.


You need to learn the subject. The troops can be used any way Trump wants to use them for an "invading force of illegal aliens". Posse Comitatus was intended to prevent the military from policing our citizens - NOT an invasion from aliens at our border.

 

"The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.....Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”

 

 

Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/


You do not understand the subject.They can not be used by Trump anyway he wants and yuou site the law which applies in this case. The military has even agreed to that, and that is why the Sec. of Defence told the WH they will not send troops to guard the border, but as support to the border patrol as before. Trump would use the military against civilians now if he could, and will use them that way if he gains full control as full Dictator which is his aim. I say again have you ever been to the Southern border? Right now the biggest threat are the far right nuts going to the border to act as policeman like they did some years  ago. Even they can not be shot by the military now helping at the border even though they steal equipment from them. Oh how little the far right know.


You, my friend do not understand any part of what Trump can or cannot do! An invading force (which it is) can be defended by the military. The military cannot be used as a police force against its citizens. How little the left wing knows!


I understand the subject you do not. Now here is what happened. WH wanted troops to police the border as the  caravan was coming. They told the Armed Forces to defend the country. The armed forces always do a mission report, battle plan call it what ever you want. They did that and made a report back to the Sec of Defence. That report said there was no military threat to the US from the caravan . The Sec. of Defence then told the WH  they would send troops to assist the border patrol as was already being done. That report was leaked to the press and made public weeks ago. So you see there is no invading force except in the minds of the far right enablers. This was the first test by Dictator Trump to see if he could use the military as it is now run to be part of his dictatorship . You will find the military can be a big obstacle when an elected person moves to become a Dictator. Turkey is an example where the military tried to  stop the dictator and failed. Germany is an example of where the military joined the dictator. By the way if you read about who might be leaving the Trump circle of dept. heads after the election you will now find the Sec. of Defence being talked about  to possibly leave. As I said before you do not understand this area in any way shape or form.
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Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA 

...

 

Thanks. That was informative and interesting to me. I looked up more info:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

 

I fear that the caravan would use children as a shield.  

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@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Looks like there isn't going to be a showdown at the border with troops shooting kids with rocks. Or anything else.

 

The Joint Chiefs chair says soldiers will not be involved in denying border entry to migrants cnn.it/2DrYRxo


He reports to Trump and if Trump says they deny entry, they deny entry! As chief advisor for the military his advice will be considered but Trump has the final say so.


You need to learn the subject. The law Trumps Trump and the law says no military doing police work on the border. The Joint Chiefs will follow the law. They have already changed things that Trump wanted, and have not done things the way Trump wanted. They have a policy that any orders from the WH are referred to the Joint Chief before implementing. Have you ever been to the southern border? That machine will not work very well there even if used by the border patrol.


You need to learn the subject. The troops can be used any way Trump wants to use them for an "invading force of illegal aliens". Posse Comitatus was intended to prevent the military from policing our citizens - NOT an invasion from aliens at our border.

 

"The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.....Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”

 

 

Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/


You do not understand the subject.They can not be used by Trump anyway he wants and yuou site the law which applies in this case. The military has even agreed to that, and that is why the Sec. of Defence told the WH they will not send troops to guard the border, but as support to the border patrol as before. Trump would use the military against civilians now if he could, and will use them that way if he gains full control as full Dictator which is his aim. I say again have you ever been to the Southern border? Right now the biggest threat are the far right nuts going to the border to act as policeman like they did some years  ago. Even they can not be shot by the military now helping at the border even though they steal equipment from them. Oh how little the far right know.


You, my friend do not understand any part of what Trump can or cannot do! An invading force (which it is) can be defended by the military. The military cannot be used as a police force against its citizens. How little the left wing knows!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Looks like there isn't going to be a showdown at the border with troops shooting kids with rocks. Or anything else.

 

The Joint Chiefs chair says soldiers will not be involved in denying border entry to migrants cnn.it/2DrYRxo


He reports to Trump and if Trump says they deny entry, they deny entry! As chief advisor for the military his advice will be considered but Trump has the final say so.


You need to learn the subject. The law Trumps Trump and the law says no military doing police work on the border. The Joint Chiefs will follow the law. They have already changed things that Trump wanted, and have not done things the way Trump wanted. They have a policy that any orders from the WH are referred to the Joint Chief before implementing. Have you ever been to the southern border? That machine will not work very well there even if used by the border patrol.


You need to learn the subject. The troops can be used any way Trump wants to use them for an "invading force of illegal aliens". Posse Comitatus was intended to prevent the military from policing our citizens - NOT an invasion from aliens at our border.

 

"The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.....Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”

 

 

Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/


You do not understand the subject.They can not be used by Trump anyway he wants and yuou site the law which applies in this case. The military has even agreed to that, and that is why the Sec. of Defence told the WH they will not send troops to guard the border, but as support to the border patrol as before. Trump would use the military against civilians now if he could, and will use them that way if he gains full control as full Dictator which is his aim. I say again have you ever been to the Southern border? Right now the biggest threat are the far right nuts going to the border to act as policeman like they did some years  ago. Even they can not be shot by the military now helping at the border even though they steal equipment from them. Oh how little the far right know.

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@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Looks like there isn't going to be a showdown at the border with troops shooting kids with rocks. Or anything else.

 

The Joint Chiefs chair says soldiers will not be involved in denying border entry to migrants cnn.it/2DrYRxo


He reports to Trump and if Trump says they deny entry, they deny entry! As chief advisor for the military his advice will be considered but Trump has the final say so.


You need to learn the subject. The law Trumps Trump and the law says no military doing police work on the border. The Joint Chiefs will follow the law. They have already changed things that Trump wanted, and have not done things the way Trump wanted. They have a policy that any orders from the WH are referred to the Joint Chief before implementing. Have you ever been to the southern border? That machine will not work very well there even if used by the border patrol.


You need to learn the subject. The troops can be used any way Trump wants to use them for an "invading force of illegal aliens". Posse Comitatus was intended to prevent the military from policing our citizens - NOT an invasion from aliens at our border.

 

"The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.....Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”

 

 

Here is what the military MIGHT use if they get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/

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