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@MsStretch wrote:

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This is ALREADY the rule -

Religious corporations, associations, educational institutions, or societies are exempt from the federal laws that EEOC enforces when it comes to the employment of individuals based on their particular religion. In other words, an employer whose purpose and character is primarily religious is permitted to lean towards hiring persons of the same religion. This exception relieves religious organizations only from the ban on employment discrimination based on religion. It does not exempt such organizations from employing individuals due to their race, gender, national origin, disability, color, and/or age.

 

You and others can read all about it here -

EEOC.gov - Questions and Answers: Religious Discrimination in the Workplace

How could it be any other way?

Being a Federal Contractor doesn't change anything -


Yes, exemptions are already provided for religious groups under the Civil Rights Law of 1964, so what is the purpose of this proposal?  

 

From the proposal:

 

Some religious organizations have previously provided feedback to OFCCP that they were reluctant to participate as federal contractors because of uncertainty regarding the scope of the religious exemption contained in section 204(c) of Executive Order 11246 and codified in OFCCP’s regulations.This proposal is intended to provide clarity regarding the scope and application of the religious exemption consistent withthe legal developments discussed above by proposing definitions of key termsin 41 CFR 60-1.3anda rule of construction in 41 CFR60-1.5. Among other changes, this proposal is intended to make clear that the Executive Order 11246 religious exemption covers not just churches but employers that are organized for a religious purpose, hold themselves out to the public as carrying out a religious purpose, and engage in exercise of religion consistent with, and in furtherance of, a religious purpose. It is also intended to make clear that religious employers can condition employment on acceptance of or adherence to religious tenets without sanction by the federal government, provided that they do not discriminate based on other protected bases.

"Hold themselves out to the public as carrying out a religious purpose"?  That's open for wide interpretation.


Not really - They already do that in their private dealing; being hired as a Federal Contractor where they have expertise and give the government a good price for doing it - doesn't change their mission or their hiring practices already in place with the exception. They cannot discriminate based on other protected bases.  There really should be no difference in what occurs in their private sector employment allowable practices and at the Federal level (Federal contractor) with these types of organizations.  Why should there be?  They perform specific services for the government within their areas of expertise as any other Federal contractor and get this job for providing the service as any other Federal contractor.  This EO is only extending the exemption they already have within the law.

 

MORE important is the SCOTUS ruling later on this year about Title VII - where the cases involve, simply put, deciding what the definition of "sex" or "gender" means in this equal employment law.   Because here, there would definitely be a definitive change from the current interpretive norm - in the private sector as well as at the Federal contractor level. 

NPR 04/22/2019 - Supreme Court Will Hear Cases On LGBTQ Discrimination Protections For Employees

 

 

 

 


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   Religious freedom, my behind, it is out and out discrimination against people who the evangelical screamers and others who are being given MORE ability to discriminate.    Apparently reading the labor rule was too darn hard for some so they blather on about - don't believe what you read, donald would never discriminate.   Sadly, that is not snark.  


This is ALREADY the rule -

Religious corporations, associations, educational institutions, or societies are exempt from the federal laws that EEOC enforces when it comes to the employment of individuals based on their particular religion. In other words, an employer whose purpose and character is primarily religious is permitted to lean towards hiring persons of the same religion. This exception relieves religious organizations only from the ban on employment discrimination based on religion. It does not exempt such organizations from employing individuals due to their race, gender, national origin, disability, color, and/or age.

 

You and others can read all about it here -

EEOC.gov - Questions and Answers: Religious Discrimination in the Workplace

How could it be any other way?

Being a Federal Contractor doesn't change anything -


Yes, exemptions are already provided for religious groups under the Civil Rights Law of 1964, so what is the purpose of this proposal?  

 

From the proposal:

 

Some religious organizations have previously provided feedback to OFCCP that they were reluctant to participate as federal contractors because of uncertainty regarding the scope of the religious exemption contained in section 204(c) of Executive Order 11246 and codified in OFCCP’s regulations.This proposal is intended to provide clarity regarding the scope and application of the religious exemption consistent withthe legal developments discussed above by proposing definitions of key termsin 41 CFR 60-1.3anda rule of construction in 41 CFR60-1.5. Among other changes, this proposal is intended to make clear that the Executive Order 11246 religious exemption covers not just churches but employers that are organized for a religious purpose, hold themselves out to the public as carrying out a religious purpose, and engage in exercise of religion consistent with, and in furtherance of, a religious purpose. It is also intended to make clear that religious employers can condition employment on acceptance of or adherence to religious tenets without sanction by the federal government, provided that they do not discriminate based on other protected bases.

"Hold themselves out to the public as carrying out a religious purpose"?  That's open for wide interpretation.



    

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   Oh for goodness sake, read the labor report and perhaps you will begin to comprehend that this is not via the EEOC, it is via government contractor's .    If some don't comprehend the difference then shame on them for not comprehending.   

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@afisher wrote:

   Religious freedom, my behind, it is out and out discrimination against people who the evangelical screamers and others who are being given MORE ability to discriminate.    Apparently reading the labor rule was too darn hard for some so they blather on about - don't believe what you read, donald would never discriminate.   Sadly, that is not snark.  


This is ALREADY the rule -

Religious corporations, associations, educational institutions, or societies are exempt from the federal laws that EEOC enforces when it comes to the employment of individuals based on their particular religion. In other words, an employer whose purpose and character is primarily religious is permitted to lean towards hiring persons of the same religion. This exception relieves religious organizations only from the ban on employment discrimination based on religion. It does not exempt such organizations from employing individuals due to their race, gender, national origin, disability, color, and/or age.

 

You and others can read all about it here -

EEOC.gov - Questions and Answers: Religious Discrimination in the Workplace

How could it be any other way?

Being a Federal Contractor doesn't change anything -


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   Religious freedom, my behind, it is out and out discrimination against people who the evangelical screamers and others who are being given MORE ability to discriminate.    Apparently reading the labor rule was too darn hard for some so they blather on about - don't believe what you read, donald would never discriminate.   Sadly, that is not snark.  

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@LydiaN586309 wrote:

Am I the only one here screaming at the top of my lungs about separation of church and state???

 

Trump and his administration are destroying the basics of American policy, diplomacy, and history.


Faith based  organizations have been on the Federal contractor list for certain services at least as far back as Bush - maybe longer.

 

Immigration is one of the big ones  - they help Refugees settle in and get started in their new life.

 

CIS - Private refugee resettlement agencies mostly funded by the government

 

They have always had some exceptions to the religious hiring rule in everyday hiring - why would this be any different?

They still can't discriminate against other protected classes.

 

 


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I would not have thought it possible either, but after watcheing THE FAMILY on Netflix and learning about Doug Coe and what he believed and taught his followers to believe, I'm not surprised at all anymore by what Trump says and does. Not surprised by the Republicans either and certainly not surprised by Pence and/or the evangelicals. Horrified I am, every day and determined that no matter who the Dems choose to run against this guy, I'm for that person.

 

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   Log Cabin GOP said they supported DT and that was followed by members leaving the club and leaving clear written information as to why.    Not a pretty day for management of Log Cabin management or NRA as another one of their board has also resigned.     drip, drip, drip

 

    Fade away quickly and quietly - without major donors, both are toast...just like financial loss that Tucker Carlson is causing over at Faux Noise.  

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@LydiaN586309 wrote:

Am I the only one here screaming at the top of my lungs about separation of church and state???

 

Trump and his administration are destroying the basics of American policy, diplomacy, and history.


Great idea - don't  hire fundamentalist or evangelicals - they're mentally unbalanced and couldn't learn to do their jobs properly...

 

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No, neither one of you are alone. As a group, we are watching trump destroy our Country. His aim to to create chaos, confusion, and illegal overlaps to further his authoritarian agenda. There is a new trump crisis to pursue everyday. We must stay aware and on top of what he is trying to pull over on us. Just like the Border issues, tariffs, and now Planned Parenthood today...all potentially illegal, definitely immoral, and party over Country. 

He’s cruel and evil, let’s make sure that we keep paying close attention and encourage media to report all of the crap that he is up to. 

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