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WE NEED TRUMP'S BORDER WALL PLUS OTHER MEASURES TO REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

Congressional Democrats have made it clear that they will oppose President Trump’s commonsense request for $5 billion to expand fencing and begin work on a wall along our southern border. But the fight over the wall is just a small skirmish in a war to decide the future of our country and whether we can control our own borders.

 

Neither President Trump nor the Democrats created the migrant caravans currently camped to our south. The caravans were organized and launched outside of the U.S. with the intent of demonstrating that large groups of immigrants can breech our borders illegally and with impunity – an outcome that will only encourage more illegal immigration.

 

Nor did Trump or the Democrats draft the United Nations global compacts on migration and refugees, looking to a day when international “norms” supplant the right of sovereign nations to manage their own borders.

 

It was not Trump or the Democrats who flooded Europe with over 1 million refugees and dispersed them – without vetting – throughout the continent.

 

But European officials who opened their borders to the migrants now find themselves beset by an intense political backlash, severe security challenges, and widespread social and economic unrest.

 

Europe today stands as a case study in the problems caused by uncontrolled migration.

If America fails to maintain firm control of who gets into our country – and who stays – the resulting crisis could make the woes of Europe look petty.

 

A Gallup World Poll released earlier this month found that 15 percent of the world’s adults said they would move permanently to another country if they could. That’s about 750 million people. Assuming the adults brought their children, the number of migrants would be higher.

 

The poll “is based on a rolling average of interviews with 453,122 adults in 152 countries and areas between 2016 and 2017,” according to Gallup.

 

Gallup also states in reporting on the poll: “One in five potential migrants (21%) – or about 158 million adults worldwide – name the U.S. as their desired future residence.” This number would be higher when children are added.

 

A mass migration of such a large number of people to the U.S. would be profoundly destabilizing – economically, socially and culturally.

 

How would we provide the food, housing, clothing, jobs, schools, transportation, infrastructure, English language instruction, and everything else needed for so many new immigrants?

And where would we get the money to do all this?

 

Admitting massive amounts of new immigrants to our country could also be dangerous.

Enemies of the West have already tried to weaponize migrant flows, as has happened with Syrian migrants. If the open-borders crowd gets its way, sooner or later evil-doers will launch a deliberate effort to send refugees to America. That would have far more impact than tweets from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

Polls consistently show most Americans favor legal immigration. But a November Gallup poll also showed Americans see immigration as one of the nation’s “biggest problems.” They want a system that works.

 

In the end, President Trump will win. Not because he has better politics – but because he has better polices.

 

For starters, the president wants to beef up border security. Most Americans share that desire. The wall can help.

 

Importantly, President Trump’s border security strategy goes beyond the wall. He also wants to end “catch and release” and “birthright citizenship” for the children of illegal immigrants.

 

“Catch and release” results from loopholes in our current system. People arrested upon entering the U.S. illegally routinely apply for amnesty. Those who promise to return for a court hearing are released, but the vast majority never come back. Instead, they simply walk away into a new life as “undocumented immigrants.”

 

Closing this loophole would be a huge deterrent to illegal immigration.

And here’s another thing our country needs to do: Enforce existing U.S. immigration laws and deport people found to be living here illegally.

 

Meanwhile, the president can also improve border security by working with our Latin American partners. The administration has already engaged with Mexico’s newly elected president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.

 

Tuesday’s announcement of a $10.6 billion U.S. aid package for Mexico and Central America reflects the desire to ease immigration pressures to our south. If that money is spent smartly – to improve governance, public safety and create a space for private economic growth – then it could help.

President Trump didn’t start Washington’s border wars. But if he sticks with his entire border control strategy, he should succeed in winning the immediate political debate and fixing our broken immigration system for the long haul.

 

https://www.heritage.org/homeland-security/commentary/we-need-trumps-border-wall-plus-other-measures...

 

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We could learn much by studying what is going on in Europe right now.  

 

If we could get democrats and republicans to actually have a conversation with each other.  It appears the Russians have been pretty successful at creating dissension between them, IMO of course...

 

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alotofgrey posted...



The ONLY reason why we have 14 million illegal immigrants is because our feds (DOJ) do not enforce that law. When they do,...THAT PROBLEM WILL END.



Other than wasting 5 billion, your Trump border wall does nothing to our illegal immigrant problem.

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It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



Happy New Year!
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@KidBoy2 wrote:
alotofgrey posted...



The ONLY reason why we have 14 million illegal immigrants is because our feds (DOJ) do not enforce that law. When they do,...THAT PROBLEM WILL END.



Other than wasting 5 billion, your Trump border wall does nothing to our illegal immigrant problem.

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It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



Happy New Year!

It "goes to show" that you "do not understand".

 

A wall will be gone around, gone under, gone over, and gone through.  Stop businesses and corporations from hiring illegals and they won't come here for jobs. Fine them enough where it makes it unprofitable to hire them ............ it's that simple.

 

A wall won't bring a happy new year, and it won't stop drugs or illegal immigration.


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@KidBoy2 wrote:

It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



Happy New Year!

Which is it? Does Schumer agree with Trump's border policy or will Schumer not admit to the complete logic of using 16th century technology to solve a problem? 

 

I do wish conservatives would pick a narrative and stick with it. 

 

Let me help you.  Start with  "Once upon a time.............."

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@Richva wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:

It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



Happy New Year!

Which is it? Does Schumer agree with Trump's border policy or will Schumer not admit to the complete logic of using 16th century technology to solve a problem? 

 

I do wish conservatives would pick a narrative and stick with it. 

 

Let me help you.  Start with  "Once upon a time.............."


You've raised that issue before and it has been dealt with. Playing games are you??

 

The Dems claim to be for border security bur prefer a fence to a wall. Now, about that 16th Century technology - do you really want to play that game?

 

As you can see, Conservatives do stick to the narrative as stated but you seem to not want to grasp that fact.

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rk posted this...

You've raised that issue before and it has been dealt with. Playing games are you??

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Playing games and trying to be the funny man is typical of some posters. Just saying.
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Richva wrote-=do wish conservatives would pick a narrative and stick with it. 

 

Let me help you.  Start with  "Once upon a time.............."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------As long as you switch the topic to fairy tales---
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WE NEED TRUMP'S BORDER WALL PLUS OTHER MEASURES TO REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

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That is not only true its a fact that I am sure that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi know but there hate of Trump is more important to them than the safety of our country. Shame on them and the people that support their agenda!

Out board walls and fences are working and needed. One of many things needed to keep our country safe.

Build the wall!
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@KidBoy2 wrote:
WE NEED TRUMP'S BORDER WALL PLUS OTHER MEASURES TO REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

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That is not only true its a fact that I am sure that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi know but there hate of Trump is more important to them than the safety of our country. Shame on them and the people that support their agenda!

Out board walls and fences are working and needed. One of many things needed to keep our country safe.

Build the wall!

Of course it's "all true" ............. You heard it on FOX !!!!!   ROFLMAO !!!


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@KidBoy2 wrote:
WE NEED TRUMP'S BORDER WALL PLUS OTHER MEASURES TO REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

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That is not only true its a fact that I am sure that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi know but there hate of Trump is more important to them than the safety of our country. Shame on them and the people that support their agenda!

Out board walls and fences are working and needed. One of many things needed to keep our country safe.

Build the wall!

Not a clue does the far right have. Their leaders know what is going on you can be sure. Just a little history. It was the Reb. who were at one time easy on the border as they wanted that illegal flow over it to supply the labor needs to their big donors who hired them. Trump was one of them even thought he was a Dem at the time. There was a need for border barriers along the border, and this need was taken care of. CA got the barrier just about the entire length of the border with Mexico. Areas in the other states got them where needed as requested by the border patrol, and locals. Keep in mind the border in Texas is a river, and large lake, New Mexico dessert, Azorina dessert, Mtns. Native American Reservation. The far right enablers have not a clue what is needed so they rely on Trump and their leaders who just plain lie to them. Trump found that he can use the border to gin up his base, and creates crisis after crisis to do that so they will vote for him. The experts tell us his base is made up of a lot of people with these traits: Mostly white, rural, poor, uneducated, easy to lead, etc. No we all know one thing the base can and never will solve anything.

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
WE NEED TRUMP'S BORDER WALL PLUS OTHER MEASURES TO REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

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That is not only true its a fact that I am sure that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi know but there hate of Trump is more important to them than the safety of our country. Shame on them and the people that support their agenda!

Out board walls and fences are working and needed. One of many things needed to keep our country safe.

Build the wall!

"Hate of Trump".........ah yes. The cry of every parent who has sired a lazy and vicious little family monster then must find a way to justify the illusion of the purity of their little snowflake.  I remember when Republicans had higher values than the ability to craft an excuse. 

 

Border walls work. They are just the least effective way of controlling the border at the greatest cost.  Pretty much what you would expect from a snowflake. 

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Instead of spending beaucoup dollars on such an unproductive boondoggle as a "wall", how about spending a small fraction of that encouraging the Central American countries to clean up their economies, police departments, crime, and governments (all this is "being a good neighbor") so that their people don't crave to emigrate out of their country.

 

Of course, the US itself created conditions for a lot of the misery in those countries (but not all). And trying to develop such countries has its own risks, we've been down that road with anti-surgency, etc, supporting repressive governments, etc.  But if done on open levels, I could see some support/exchange between police departments in the US and these countries, and economic development as well.

 

There is some precedent for this: the "maquiladoros" of the 1980's/1990's where US and other companies set up plants in Mexico near the US border. The idea was to utilize the lower cost labor there and benefit both countries, as well as giving China competition on this front. I think this pretty much failed in the end. However, the idea still seems sound.

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Instead of spending beaucoup dollars on such an unproductive boondoggle as a "wall", how about spending a small fraction of that encouraging the Central American countries to clean up their economies, police departments, crime, and governments (all this is "being a good neighbor") so that their people don't crave to emigrate out of their country.

 

The President's budget for fiscal year 2019 was released today and it proposes a budget of $396 million for the Peace Corps.Feb 12, 2018

 

10 x that would be less then Trump wants to spend on a  unproductive boondoggle .

 

While teachers in the US are leaving the profession at the highest rate on record in 2018.

 

It's a lot of money that could be used better elsewhere to stroke Trump's ego.

 

 

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Sure there are other places the money can be spent but that does not address the border security issue. If five, fifty or even five hundred billion would solve all the problems south of us and stop the flow of people we could agree that would be a better use of money .

 

But we have previously built sections of a border wall and they are highly successful at stopping the human trafficking. Unfortunately one of the problems is that the Coyotes move their operations to where there is no wall.

 

What concerns me the most is that the previous endeavors were supported by both parties and as much as I dislike the antics of our current President, as an independent I see the DNC obstructionism over this matter not a case of good policy but rather one of spite.

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  The latest bs. is full of  half-truths, this one straight out of Breittys website.    It is full of half-truths, aka propaganda.    For starters, the RW need to be reminded that the funding for this bill was later cancelled because the contractor for nearly 2 T funds had no idea how to do what they were contractually obligated to do.   

 

   Why is it that the copier of their story didn't bother to read about the demise and cost savings that was implemented by #45 DHS?      Failure of due diligence often leads to embarrassment, if the RW even bother to be concerned about anything other than propaganda to prove their lie.

 

    Donald just admitted to raping the nation, btw.    

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The Democrats have been trying to have this conversation for over 10 years. Republicans would rather use immigration to stir up their lofo base.

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Snoopy wrote-The Democrats have been trying to have this conversation for over 10 years. Republicans would rather use immigration to stir up their lofo base.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Just a reminder-hypocrites.png

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And the fence they built is all the physical barrier required for border security.
Now, because Fox said bad things about him, lil donny Bonespurs pitched a TanTrump on twitter, and mindless GOPers in the Senate claim we need to waiste $5 BILLION every year for that which does not work and Republicans will force 420,000 Feds to work WITHOUT PAY until donny gets his latest bright-shinny.

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And starting Thursday, Pelosi will be happy to discuss a deal with Mr. Deal Maker if he ever comes out of hiding. 

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easyed598:   Illegal Immigration It's About Power - YouTube

 

 

Tucker Carlson? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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