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After just reading the articled posted on another thread about the Native Americans being in financial crisis, huh, now why is a wall of that substantial costs so necessary when the original Indigenous peoples never felt a wall was necessary?  Their treaty to the original "squatters" was the exchange of territory for federal obligation, no?


Huh, they didn't have national boundaries.

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It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



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Which is it? Does Schumer agree with Trump's border policy or will Schumer not admit to the complete logic of using 16th century technology to solve a problem? 

 

I do wish conservatives would pick a narrative and stick with it. 

 

Let me help you.  Start with  "Once upon a time.............."


You've raised that issue before and it has been dealt with. Playing games are you??

 

The Dems claim to be for border security bur prefer a fence to a wall. Now, about that 16th Century technology - do you really want to play that game?

 

As you can see, Conservatives do stick to the narrative as stated but you seem to not want to grasp that fact.

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91,

 

Reduce it? Excuse me!

 

It is a federal crime to employ a foreign worker that does not have a federal work permit.

 

The ONLY reason why we have 14 million illegal immigrants is because our feds (DOJ) do not enforce that law. When they do,...THAT PROBLEM WILL END.

 

Other than wasting 5 billion, your Trump border wall does nothing to our illegal immigrant problem.

 

Federally it only applies to federal contractors. 

 

If you think the wall would do nothing, what do you think about the Dem's fence?

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Trump's original promise was a wall across the entire border with Mexico which would be funded by the Mexican government.  It has since been shown to be completely unworkable and unnecessary across much of that border.  There were never any explanations on how the government was going to acquire the private lands it needed. How they would handle the water rights and other treaties a wall would violate. How they would respond to the disruptions to wildlife migration patters which are extremely important to the ecosystems in the Southwest. 

 

Now, Trump has closed the government for 100 miles of wall in locations to be named later and to be funded by the American taxpayer. He tried to mousetrap the Democrats by putting negotiations on TV without their agreement and they made a fool of him.  He has changed his position so many times that  neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will support anything until Trump makes his position very clear and very public. 

 

So, we are presented with a wall we don't need, don't want, don't want to pay for, with no plan for implementation or for any of the policy decisions to get it done. 

 

I think that is a pretty good summary. 

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Richva wrote-=do wish conservatives would pick a narrative and stick with it. 

 

Let me help you.  Start with  "Once upon a time.............."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------As long as you switch the topic to fairy tales---
Obama Says He Doesn't Lie, Gets DESTROYED by Himself - YouTube

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After just reading the articled posted on another thread about the Native Americans being in financial crisis, huh, now why is a wall of that substantial costs so necessary when the original Indigenous peoples never felt a wall was necessary?  Their treaty to the original "squatters" was the exchange of territory for federal obligation, no?

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@KidBoy2 wrote:

It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



Happy New Year!

Which is it? Does Schumer agree with Trump's border policy or will Schumer not admit to the complete logic of using 16th century technology to solve a problem? 

 

I do wish conservatives would pick a narrative and stick with it. 

 

Let me help you.  Start with  "Once upon a time.............."

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The ONLY reason why we have 14 million illegal immigrants is because our feds (DOJ) do not enforce that law. When they do,...THAT PROBLEM WILL END.



Other than wasting 5 billion, your Trump border wall does nothing to our illegal immigrant problem.

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It shows you just do not understand that if we keep illegals from coming into our country there would be no problem with employers hiring illegals.

FYI...Its not a Trump border.

FYI...Borders have worked and are working...why is it so hard for Shumer and Pelosi to admit that fact?



Happy New Year!
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91,

 

Reduce it? Excuse me!

 

It is a federal crime to employ a foreign worker that does not have a federal work permit.

 

The ONLY reason why we have 14 million illegal immigrants is because our feds (DOJ) do not enforce that law. When they do,...THAT PROBLEM WILL END.

 

Other than wasting 5 billion, your Trump border wall does nothing to our illegal immigrant problem.

 

 

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
WE NEED TRUMP'S BORDER WALL PLUS OTHER MEASURES TO REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

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That is not only true its a fact that I am sure that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi know but there hate of Trump is more important to them than the safety of our country. Shame on them and the people that support their agenda!

Out board walls and fences are working and needed. One of many things needed to keep our country safe.

Build the wall!

Not a clue does the far right have. Their leaders know what is going on you can be sure. Just a little history. It was the Reb. who were at one time easy on the border as they wanted that illegal flow over it to supply the labor needs to their big donors who hired them. Trump was one of them even thought he was a Dem at the time. There was a need for border barriers along the border, and this need was taken care of. CA got the barrier just about the entire length of the border with Mexico. Areas in the other states got them where needed as requested by the border patrol, and locals. Keep in mind the border in Texas is a river, and large lake, New Mexico dessert, Azorina dessert, Mtns. Native American Reservation. The far right enablers have not a clue what is needed so they rely on Trump and their leaders who just plain lie to them. Trump found that he can use the border to gin up his base, and creates crisis after crisis to do that so they will vote for him. The experts tell us his base is made up of a lot of people with these traits: Mostly white, rural, poor, uneducated, easy to lead, etc. No we all know one thing the base can and never will solve anything.

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