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W.H. still has no road map for restarting the economy

Yet one my ITDS with this administration. It has been structured to provide maximum chaos and minimum activity. The idea that Trump could get reelected as the impact of this clown circus is unfolding in American's homes and hospitals is laughable. 

 

 

Internal competition, a lack of communication and a shortage of coronavirus testing are complicating President Donald Trump’s May 1 goal.Like the majority of policy decisions within this White House, the nascent moves to restart the economy have been plagued by different factions of staffers vying for power — or simply not communicating with one another. Some officials are looking at data from states to make their recommendations, while economic officials are weighing moves to change tax policy to boost growth once again.“In the absence of that road map, there will be a lot of political criticism,” the same Republican added.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/12/white-house-restart-economy-doesnt-have-solid-plan-182373 

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  Well congrats to the nonsense aka playing with numbers - as the H1N1 data is an annual number, of which that death toll from Covid 19 has been more than doubled while yet to see the magical "peak" infection rate.    Trump declared a "national emergency" on March 13 wirh ZERO guidance.      Now he says he can over ride all GOV orders....and everyone says NOPE!   GOP do love them autocrats, to heck with democracy.  

 

FTR - no one here made this pandemic political that is all on current WH regime!

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@afisher wrote:

FTR - no one here made this pandemic political that is all on current WH regime!

Absolutely.  dt, does not do apolitical.  His life has had one theme only, the politics of donny rump.  HIS rise to fame, his show, his rewards.  Speaking of....his briefings paid for by someone other than himself, free tv!  The heck with expensive rallies, this is the way to go.  I betcha.  The price is right, the audience is captive, the dramas ensue, and...he likes this platform.  Quite the bump up in 'presence' from friend twitter.

 

Now he says he can over ride all GOV orders....and everyone says NOPE!

I have no faith in the don's personal ability to slam "everyone" who personally tells him the truth.  There's just too many of those people.  I think he could resign before he melts down.  The virus has put a stop to his personal political love of self problem at the same time as his public politically incompetent problem.  


 

 

 

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AzRancher is asking the wrong questions about Trump vs. Biden.

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The Toad's only roadmap for the Pandemic has been one that reroutes all the blame for everything he's NOT done to the 50 State Governors.

 

His ONLY "plan" ("plot" would be more accurate) is to somehow get the DJA back up and unemployment back down before the election, and he has no concern for how many more Americans he will kill doing that.

 

tRump ignored our Intelligence services who warned his administration back in NOVEMBER 2019, and included notice of the impending disaster in donny's PDB's beginning in DECEMBER. 

 

To get a feel for how the Toads doing NOTHING for all that time killed Americans, consider that San Francisco went to a lock down on 17 March 2020, and they had 357 infections and 13 deaths by 6 April. New Orleans took a tRump approach and didn't issue a "shelter in place" until 5 April and they have 19,253 infections and 755 dead Americans as of 5 April.

 

So, doing SOMETHING two weeks earlier resulted in 98% fewer infections and 98% fewer dead Americans. THE TOAD DITHERED FOR TWO MONTHS!

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@Richva wrote:

Yet one my ITDS with this administration. It has been structured to provide maximum chaos and minimum activity. The idea that Trump could get reelected as the impact of this clown circus is unfolding in American's homes and hospitals is laughable. 

 

 

Internal competition, a lack of communication and a shortage of coronavirus testing are complicating President Donald Trump’s May 1 goal.Like the majority of policy decisions within this White House, the nascent moves to restart the economy have been plagued by different factions of staffers vying for power — or simply not communicating with one another. Some officials are looking at data from states to make their recommendations, while economic officials are weighing moves to change tax policy to boost growth once again.“In the absence of that road map, there will be a lot of political criticism,” the same Republican added.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/12/white-house-restart-economy-doesnt-have-solid-plan-182373 


We will be shut-down for the next 18-months. Expect a long timeframe. 

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@AristotleOfGreece wrote:


We will be shut-down for the next 18-months. Expect a long timeframe. 


That seems overly pessimistic. We should have a new administration in January and Biden already has a committee of medical and scientific people with experience fighting ebola, and SARS.  

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@Richva wrote:

@AristotleOfGreece wrote:


We will be shut-down for the next 18-months. Expect a long timeframe. 


That seems overly pessimistic. We should have a new administration in January and Biden already has a committee of medical and scientific people with experience fighting ebola, and SARS.  


Yes, Biden seems capable of tying his own shoes and not much more.  I certainly hope he's got people with lots of experience because he can't offer any help (mainly because he's going to lose - big time in his election effort).

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@AristotleOfGreece wrote:


We will be shut-down for the next 18-months. Expect a long timeframe. 


That seems overly pessimistic. We should have a new administration in January and Biden already has a committee of medical and scientific people with experience fighting ebola, and SARS.  


Yes, Biden seems capable of tying his own shoes and not much more.  I certainly hope he's got people with lots of experience because he can't offer any help (mainly because he's going to lose - big time in his election effort).


And yet, he has ALL those accomplishments, never declared bankruptcy, and never cheated on his wife with a porn star.  BTW, How is Jared doing on leading the Trump Pandemic fight?  I understand Trump is planning to "reboot" his team. 

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@Richva wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@AristotleOfGreece wrote:


We will be shut-down for the next 18-months. Expect a long timeframe. 


That seems overly pessimistic. We should have a new administration in January and Biden already has a committee of medical and scientific people with experience fighting ebola, and SARS.  


Yes, Biden seems capable of tying his own shoes and not much more.  I certainly hope he's got people with lots of experience because he can't offer any help (mainly because he's going to lose - big time in his election effort).


And yet, he has ALL those accomplishments, never declared bankruptcy, and never cheated on his wife with a porn star.  BTW, How is Jared doing on leading the Trump Pandemic fight?  I understand Trump is planning to "reboot" his team. 


You point out the attributes which Biden DOESN'T have.  Apparently he doesn't have any positive attributes which is why he is destined to lose.

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ah, but his biggest attribute is he is NOT a criminal unlike the current occupant of The White House!!! Just sayin......
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Can We expect to see as much success from trump on restarting the economy on May 1st as We have seen on his prevention of the spread of the virus in America...remembering he had it under control!

Looks like both problems, with trump at the helm, will now spread and become larger...both are linked together, and must be solved together...and to add, trump is linked with both...it is trump's virus, and trump's economy...both are looking like trump's disasters!

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@williamb39198 wrote:

Can We expect to see as much success from trump on restarting the economy on May 1st as We have seen on his prevention of the spread of the virus in America...remembering he had it under control!

Looks like both problems, with trump at the helm, will now spread and become larger...both are linked together, and must be solved together...and to add, trump is linked with both...it is trump's virus, and trump's economy...both are looking like trump's disasters!


The 2009 H1N1 Pandemic: A New Flu Virus Emerges

The (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from H1N1 viruses that were circulating at the time of the pandemic. Few young people had any existing immunity (as detected by antibody response) to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus, but nearly one-third of people over 60 years old had antibodies against this virus, likely from exposure to an older H1N1 virus earlier in their lives. Since the (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from circulating H1N1 viruses, vaccination with seasonal flu vaccines offered little cross-protection against (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection. While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

 

Researchers from the CDC estimate that the rate of death associated with the 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 was actually 15 times higher than the reported laboratory-confirmed deaths.

“This study is one of the first to provide a global estimate of deaths caused by the 2009 H1N1 virus,” Fatimah Dawood, MD, of the CDC, told Infectious Disease News. “Unlike most other mortality estimates for the 2009 pandemic, this study includes estimated mortality for countries in Southeast Asia and Africa, where surveillance data on influenza-associated mortality are limited.”

 

Obama's virus? And still causing death's today. Preventing the spread of any virus is impossible, you simply cannot shut down an entire population in the hopes of eradicating an unknown strain. It's never been accomplished in the past and I seriously doubt it could ever be accomplished now or ever. All anyone can ever hope for is a reasonable outcome and a reasonable recovery afterwards. Trying to blame a politician is ludicrous, but I guess a scapegoat is the best the left can hope for.    

 

 

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@AzRancher wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

Can We expect to see as much success from trump on restarting the economy on May 1st as We have seen on his prevention of the spread of the virus in America...remembering he had it under control!

Looks like both problems, with trump at the helm, will now spread and become larger...both are linked together, and must be solved together...and to add, trump is linked with both...it is trump's virus, and trump's economy...both are looking like trump's disasters!


The 2009 H1N1 Pandemic: A New Flu Virus Emerges

The (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from H1N1 viruses that were circulating at the time of the pandemic. Few young people had any existing immunity (as detected by antibody response) to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus, but nearly one-third of people over 60 years old had antibodies against this virus, likely from exposure to an older H1N1 virus earlier in their lives. Since the (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from circulating H1N1 viruses, vaccination with seasonal flu vaccines offered little cross-protection against (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection. While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

 

Researchers from the CDC estimate that the rate of death associated with the 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 was actually 15 times higher than the reported laboratory-confirmed deaths.

“This study is one of the first to provide a global estimate of deaths caused by the 2009 H1N1 virus,” Fatimah Dawood, MD, of the CDC, told Infectious Disease News. “Unlike most other mortality estimates for the 2009 pandemic, this study includes estimated mortality for countries in Southeast Asia and Africa, where surveillance data on influenza-associated mortality are limited.”

 

Obama's virus? And still causing death's today. Preventing the spread of any virus is impossible, you simply cannot shut down an entire population in the hopes of eradicating an unknown strain. It's never been accomplished in the past and I seriously doubt it could ever be accomplished now or ever. All anyone can ever hope for is a reasonable outcome and a reasonable recovery afterwards. Trying to blame a politician is ludicrous, but I guess a scapegoat is the best the left can hope for.    

 

 


Agreed. No one would try to blame a politician for a virus.  However, the Obama administration set up a coordinated response to H1N1 and set teams across the country in preparation.  They created the DSC Pandemic Playbook to advise future presidents on how to react to a similar situation, because they knew it was going to happen.

 

We are now watching yet another Trump dumpster fire in response to the current situation.  Naming the virus after Trump would be unfair.  Naming the pandemic response after him is completely appropriate. 

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@Richva wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@AristotleOfGreece wrote:


We will be shut-down for the next 18-months. Expect a long timeframe. 


That seems overly pessimistic. We should have a new administration in January and Biden already has a committee of medical and scientific people with experience fighting ebola, and SARS.  


Yes, Biden seems capable of tying his own shoes and not much more.  I certainly hope he's got people with lots of experience because he can't offer any help (mainly because he's going to lose - big time in his election effort).


And yet, he has ALL those accomplishments, never declared bankruptcy, and never cheated on his wife with a porn star.  BTW, How is Jared doing on leading the Trump Pandemic fight?  I understand Trump is planning to "reboot" his team. 


Trump has never personally declared bankruptcy, his companies have. Not uncommon for a successful businessman to have declared, some several times. Henry Ford is a prime example and look at his company now. Bankruptcy is a result of taking risks, bouncing back is a result of not giving up. As for cheating - apparently Biden has a roving eye to go along with his roving hands. Not the best behaviour but also not uncommon for those in power. As for the economy Trump has created several successful businesses, and some not so successful. But on the whole he has proven himself to be able to get out of a tought business situation. Perhaps that's what we need instead of a career politician mired down in political baggage. How many deals and favors are owed by Biden? How long can he keep his focus on the country, how long before he has a total mental breakdown? And if that's the case, are you prepared to have his running mate taking over  the reins? Kamala Harris? Stacey Abrams? 

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