Venezuela’s Lessons for American Socialists

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@MIseker wrote:
The Right loves to post these mostly true stories about Venezuela. The topic post here insinuates Cortez and Sanders want a government run like Venezuela. Prove it. Show us all who exactly wants the US to run like Venezuela. Another bogus topic. The topics statement is a lie, then accuse imagined " liberals" of committing the deed. This method doesnt fool anyone.

The right posts these fantasies because they seek to divert attention from the FACT they are driving us toward a government run just like Germany c1940.

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The lesson from Venezuela is not to elect a corrupt dictator. Venezuela is not a socialist country but a dictatorship.

 

Too bad the right did not learn that before electing a wanna be dictator in this country.


Would you call their economic model "Free Market Capitalism" - or something else?


I would call it a corrupt dictatorship. Just like Trump wants in this country.


Instead of jumping immediately to the hate filled nonsense, think about the issue - this is about an economic system. 

 

So, again, would you call their economic model "Free Market Capitalism" - or something else.

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Can't wait for a little transparency in the White House  like releasing his tax returns. Don't want to get into the same fix as Venezuela. 


Or the Transparency President Obama practiced with his college transcripts.  Obama and Trump broke no laws.  

 

That said, Trump has allowed more media access and press conferences in two years than Obama did in eight years...

 

 

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Can't wait for a little transparency in the White House  like releasing his tax returns. Don't want to get into the same fix as Venezuela. 

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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The lesson from Venezuela is not to elect a corrupt dictator. Venezuela is not a socialist country but a dictatorship.

 

Too bad the right did not learn that before electing a wanna be dictator in this country.


Would you call their economic model "Free Market Capitalism" - or something else?


I would call it a corrupt dictatorship. Just like Trump wants in this country.


And you would base your claim on what?

 

President Trump has been and is completely transparent with the American people and has allowed more media access than any other President in my lifetime.

 

Looking back at history at dictators, one of the first things they do is get rid of their citizens' guns and assure only the government has legal access to them.

 

President Trump is very pro Second Amendment, your above comment is baseless.

 

 

 

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Once again people a lot of you are being used by the far right on this subject. They present Venezuela as a socialist country. That is not true. It started out as one but became a Dictatorship under its present leader. You had the same thing in the Soviet Union. It started out as Communist, but turned to dictatorship. The same thing can happen in a Democracy. The main factor is the far right gain control. That means authoritarian rule by one person backed by a group of leaders who become the servants, and to  start with a lot of enablers. The main thing is they will always be far right. You end this by ending the far right. The far right have been around for all our history.  You all know rule by Kings who were far right. Do  not be fooled with subjects like this. The answer for us now is to end the far right control of our Country. Vote Trump and all with an R behind their name out in 2020.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

The lesson from Venezuela is not to elect a corrupt dictator. Venezuela is not a socialist country but a dictatorship.

 

Too bad the right did not learn that before electing a wanna be dictator in this country.


Would you call their economic model "Free Market Capitalism" - or something else?


I would call it a corrupt dictatorship. Just like Trump wants in this country.

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@MIseker wrote:
The Right loves to post these mostly true stories about Venezuela. The topic post here insinuates Cortez and Sanders want a government run like Venezuela. Prove it. Show us all who exactly wants the US to run like Venezuela. Another bogus topic. The topics statement is a lie, then accuse imagined " liberals" of committing the deed. This method doesnt fool anyone.

socialism is an economic, social and government system. it is what it is regardless of any particular application

 

it follows the definition laid out by marx a long, long time ago. now, some nations are able to manage to "only put one toe in the water" - I do not consider the potential dangers worth the risk.

 

nothing bogus in that

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We were told about evil socialism with examples like "Look at France", "Look at those European countries", "Look at those Scandivavian countries".
We were warned against socialized medicine......"Just look at Cuba!"
Now it's "Look at Venezuela!"


Let's see what we can learn from Venezuela.


Venezuela has gone from being dependent on oil to being extremely dependent on oil.


Oil represented 77 percent of Venezuela's exports but by 2011 oil represented 96 percent of exports. That means only around 4 percent of the goods that Venezuela exports are non-oil products! The Venezuelan economy relies almost exclusively on the price of oil and the ability of the government to spend oil revenues.
(The country officially nationalized its oil industry on January 1976)


The Chavez government has crippled private businesses through nationalizations.


The government has nationalized numerous companies (no one seems to be able to count them all) involved in various sectors including aluminum, cement, gold, iron, steel, farming, transportation, electricity, food production, banking, paper and the media.


The Venezuelan government set price controls on 400 basic foods including white rice, cooking oil, coffee, sugar, powdered milk, cheese, and tomato sauce.


The Venezuelan government created a chain of state-owned grocery stores, selling staple foods at 39% below market value.


Chávez seized many supermarkets from their owners.

 

I'm not worried that the U.S. will become a Venezuela.

 

 

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I have always considered the more advanced economies like Canada and Norway to be practicing Costco Capitalism.  Venezuela was practicing Sears Capitalism. 

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