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@Richva wrote:

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Considering the phrasing used by the author, it is an obvious "hit piece".

 

But, just between us Guys (generic) - how would you see a competent President dealing with the situation, including the court rulings and the need for an update of our immigration policies?


Well, first we don't need any more National Guard troops playing volleyball down here so you can send them home.  Then, you start staffing for the workload. That means adjudicators and CBP officers. Next, you put in a program at each detention facility that replicates the work now being done by volunteers. That is, to arrange travel for the asylum seekers who have been released into the country. Not to pay for their travel, that does not happen now, but to arrange it and get them out of the port cities. 

 

Finally, stop talking about building a wall. It won't work. It will be expensive. No community wants one. Mexico is not going to pay for it. 

 

But, that would be a competent president. 


I agree - getting rid of incentives makes more sense then the Guard. Changing the rules that allow people to cross the border without authorization and then apply for asylum and roam free until the request is processed makes a lot of sense to me. The same applies to the "bring a kid along" rules.

 

 

That doesn't mean that we do not need border secutity - physical barriers and/or personnel.

 

The problem is that it cannot be accomplished by a President, competent or otherwise. We need Congressional action.

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@rk9152 wrote:

Considering the phrasing used by the author, it is an obvious "hit piece".

 

But, just between us Guys (generic) - how would you see a competent President dealing with the situation, including the court rulings and the need for an update of our immigration policies?


Well, first we don't need any more National Guard troops playing volleyball down here so you can send them home.  Then, you start staffing for the workload. That means adjudicators and CBP officers. Next, you put in a program at each detention facility that replicates the work now being done by volunteers. That is, to arrange travel for the asylum seekers who have been released into the country. Not to pay for their travel, that does not happen now, but to arrange it and get them out of the port cities. 

 

Finally, stop talking about building a wall. It won't work. It will be expensive. No community wants one. Mexico is not going to pay for it. 

 

But, that would be a competent president. 

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@GailL1 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

But, just between us Guys (generic) - how would you see a competent President dealing with the situation, including the court rulings and the need for an update of our immigration policies?


I would like to know that too -

Just forget Trump - he has had numerous policies - just forget him.

I want to know what would you do if you were the President - what would be your immigration policy especially for asylum seekers.

 


Gail  good question. If I was President. what would I do.

first things first.

Get the Senate and the Congress to do their job and create a comprehensible immigration policy that will cover all aspects of immigration. and not just asylum seekers.

Hire the necessary personnel in order to not to have perennials court cases and backlogs.

Enforcement of the laws that they create.

 Illegal immigration should never be allowed under any circumstance and expedient deportation practices should be taken.

Fines for any US citizen that hires an illegal  and breaks those laws.

Institute a follow up on anyone that visits this country and simply know where they could be at the time of their visit. Like presenting Passports when they register in Holes  they do it in Europe. so why not here.

Student visas. again comprehensive follow up the minute that they don't register for a semester, out they go.

H1b visas, see that those are not abused by the employers.
Asylum seekers, up to now have always been political refugees,  people that need to leave their country for political extremism or violence.

Case by case if the situation if not a political one. 
Being hungry is not a reason to have asylum. or seeking a better life, those case should go thru the regular channels and seek legal residence.
Credible loss of life by a government for political reasons or a war. and again, case by case.

 Deportations should always be swift, and expeditious. not put a person in a detaining center for days or years. no court case for illegals that cross the border, overstated visas

Most important enforcement of whatever laws are created.

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

But, just between us Guys (generic) - how would you see a competent President dealing with the situation, including the court rulings and the need for an update of our immigration policies?


I would like to know that too -

Just forget Trump - he has had numerous policies - just forget him.

I want to know what would you do if you were the President - what would be your immigration policy especially for asylum seekers.

 

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@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152: 

 

But, rather than head right for the "incompetent" corner - how would you see any President dealing with the situation?

 

 

Trump Broke the U.S. Border Policy. Now He Owns It.

His administration never had a viable plan. The result? A savage and careening crisis.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-04/trump-created-immigration-and-border-chaos


Considering the phrasing used by the author, it is an obvious "hit piece".

 

But, just between us Guys (generic) - how would you see a competent President dealing with the situation, including the court rulings and the need for an update of our immigration policies?

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:

*Liberals are shocked and offended by other views"

 

 

But  Ia m seriously offended by this sentence, because is not only an generalization but not a true statement. but as usual a manipulation of what is truth.


Amen.

 

This poster's signature quote, IMHO, is inflammatory and promotes discourse, It is an insulting and baiting sentence.


Be adults, not snowflakes and live with it. It's not as bad as being called a Nazi, fascist, alt-right, racist, sexist, homophobe and the rest. And don't forget the all time great - "Republicans suck.

 

Now, don't you feel embarrassed whining over such a harmless line??

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:

*Liberals are shocked and offended by other views"

 

 

But  Ia m seriously offended by this sentence, because is not only an generalization but not a true statement. but as usual a manipulation of what is truth.


Amen.

 

This poster's signature quote, IMHO, is inflammatory and promotes discourse, It is an insulting and baiting sentence.


"The only thing that man learns from history is that man learns nothing from history."
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When someone (Richva) who lives near the border, sees and experiences what is happening and what has happened, I tend to believe their reality.  I don't live in a border state, so it would be cavalier of me to call them out.  It is obvious that the current president's policies (sending troops to the border, blaming Mexico, shutting down the immigration courts for a month) are NOT working. Witness the record numbers. 

 

These are not mostly single males from Mexico anymore; they are families, women and children.  The president seems still stuck on the idea they are drug dealers, gang members, and terrorists littering the desert with their prayer rugs.  He needs to update his thinking.


I had not heard about the prayer rugs in the desert. Do you have a source for that.


 


A rancher said she found some - is it not possible? And the claim "Terrorists littering the desert" - are terrorists the only users of prayer rugs??


I suppose anything is possible like the "Chinese, Germans, Russians, a lot of Middle Easterners, those Czechoslovakians they caught over on our neighbor’s just last summer" the rancher also claimed she'd seen an increase in crossing the border.  (Czechoslovakians, huh? Woman LOL  Nah, not even going to go there.)  But before we give the benefit of the doubt to this rancher, please note that she claimed she had no proof and that she had not personally seen any OTMs (Other Than Mexicans) crossing the border, even "over on [her] neighbor's".

 

Of course terrorists are not the only users of prayer rugs, but not my insinuation.  Straight from the horse's mouth -- "There’s a lot of people coming in not just from Mexico.  People, the general public, just don’t get the terrorist threats of that. That’s what’s really scary. You don’t know what’s coming across. We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal."

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rk9152: 

 

But, rather than head right for the "incompetent" corner - how would you see any President dealing with the situation?

 

 

Trump Broke the U.S. Border Policy. Now He Owns It.

His administration never had a viable plan. The result? A savage and careening crisis.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-04/trump-created-immigration-and-border-chaos

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Last night volunteers  were working late making travel arrangements for the people  dumped on the streets by the Trump administration.  Not to worry. Americans are hard working and resourceful. We can make up for the incompetence of the Trump administration.  


Travel arrangements back to their home countries, hopefully.

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