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Nobel Laureate, Stanford University School of Medicine biophysicist Michael Levitt . Michael Levitt, who is a biophysicist at Stanford, told the Los Angeles Times that his interpretation of data about the novel coronavirus does not support other reports of a massive wave of novel coronavirus infections and deaths in the United States
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489415-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-w...

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending/coronavirus-nobel-laureate-says-us-will-have-quicker-covi...

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Our President, Donald Trump doesn't create the number... he relays them.  You know that. 

 

Yes... sometimes he acts like a fisherman and talks about the one that "got away" and tomorrow the fishing will be better. 

 

One thing he doesn't do... is live in a negative dark world, where the sky is always falling,  and he does not promote hysteria.

 

The nutty loony cult of left does that. 


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   Weird:   when the ignoble donald supporters can't rely on rhetoric to sell their information, they end with the fall-back RW talking point.:   If you don't agree with donald, then you hate him.       They have built themselves a black/white world, when in fact most of the people in this country live with the many varying shades of grey.    i pity those who refuse reality.  

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So how about some truth telling? Here goes. Less than two percent of the people initially contracting the contagion have died. About 20 percent had to be hospitalized.

This above is a fact... your speculating with a negative connotation because you despise our president. Numbers are logic your position is speculation and feelings.


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@Fishslayer777 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:
2009 H1N1 Pandemic Timeline

In 2009, a new H1N1 influenza virus emerged, causing the first global flu pandemic in 40 years. Below is a timeline of major events that took place during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.

 

April 17 2009
  • Second human infection with the new influenza A H1N1 virus detected in California about 130 miles away from first infection, with no known connection to previous patient.

 

June 11
  • The World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic and raised the worldwide pandemic alert level to phase 6, which means the virus was spreading to other parts of the world.
  • CDC held its first press conference with former CDC Director Thomas Frieden, MD, MPH. The press conference had 2,355 participants.
July 22
  • Clinical trials testing the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine began.
September 1
  • More than 1,000 test kits shipped to 120 domestic and 250 international laboratories in 140 countries since May 1, 2009.
September 3
  • CDC published a study that analyzed data related to H1N1 influenza pediatric deaths reported to CDC from April to August 2009 in MMWR. Data showed 477 deaths with lab-confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu in the U.S. had been reported to CDC as of August 8, 2009.
September 30
  • U.S. states placed first orders of 2009 H1N1 vaccine.
October 5
  • First doses of H1N1 vaccine were given in the U.S.
November 16
  • FDA announced its approval of a fifth 2009 H1N1 vaccine.
December 4
  • CDC published preliminary safety results for the 2009 H1N1 vaccines for the first months of reports received through the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERSexternal icon).
December 18
  • First 100 million doses of 2009 H1N1 vaccine were available for ordering.
Late December
  • 2009 H1N1 vaccination had been opened up to anyone who wanted it.
  January 10-16. 2010
  • President of the United States proclaimed National Influenza Vaccination Week (NIVW) and encouraged all Americans to observe the week by getting vaccinated with the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine.
  February
  • FDA’s VRBPAC selected 2009 H1N1 virus for inclusion in 2010-2011 seasonal flu vaccine

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

 

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Perspective...  Let's keep it real folks...

 

 

 


When this is all over we can do the same type of timeline and see what took place. We can also see if you can even compare the two viruses as right now we do not even know how the current one works in total. Perspective is right now you can not compare the 2. What you can look at is how all areas of govt are working. The experts in the Fed. Govt. warned us in Jan this was coming and to get ready. That did not happen as the current President said it was not coming, it was a hoax, Dem caused it, fake news, there are only 15 cases so we lost all time at the Federal level to prepare. That left everything to State and local level and that is where we are now. The State an local people in most States are doing a good job. They now get help from the Feds. who tried to warn us in Jan. and that is good. The biggest hindrance to the effort is the President, and that is really why there is such a great effort by his followers to create a diversion to make him look ok. That will not work.


The WHO is praising president Trumps efforts to defeat Covid-19. The presidents team is doing a great job and Americans know this... well 60% do, you know, the intelligent Americans.


You did not answer what I posted which is true. Glad to see you agree with me.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:

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Math is a good thing. 


Let's look at the death rates for the respective diseases.

 

H1N1 infected 61 million people and 12,500 died.   That's a death rate of 0.02%.

COVID has infected 54,453 (CDC #) people so far and 737 have died.   The COVID US death rate is 1.35%.   That is 70 times greater than the H1N1 death rate.  

 

And our death rate will likely increase as more are infected.  Just like Italy.  On March 10, Italy's death rate was just 7.7%.   On March 2, their death rate was only 2.6%.   So if our public health restrictions aren't strict enough, we will likely follow their path and watch our death rate increase.  


I made a chart to compare:

 

covid death rate as of 25 March 2020.png

 


Your's is reverse logic based on current test results. The death rate was exponentially high based on FEW early test results. However... Based on the fact that current test results show "on average" ,  almost 90% of those tested  do not have corona virus. Our death rate is falling via total test results. 

 

When all is said in done.... the math will be, what is true. The facts  will be measurable and provable. On the other hand speculation about death rates is meant as an attempt to show bias against  our president, nothing more. It's divisive and negative and your speculation is wrong, very wrong.


Absolutely not.  You don't calculate death rates based on people who have never had the virus.   


One of us doesn't understand ratios, math and science. You calculate death rates by infection rate and then use decimating data to  accurately interpret the information. 

 

You just created new math... again and it's wrong and your bias is the only thing that shows.


No, ratios are not new math.   We are in the middle of the epidemic and most epidemiologists are just doing a simple ratio of the number of deaths divided by the number of infections.  They can't account for confounding variables yet, like the varying regional availability of testing or varying regional hospital capabilities.  We will know all that when this is over.   

 

This is not about bias.  It's about doing the best thing for the country based on the best information available.   Allowing infection numbers to peak rapidly, which is what will happen without social distancing restrictions, will kill more people because we don't have the health system infrastructure to support them all at once.   In the long run, larger numbers of deaths are worse for the economy than the social distancing requirements we are experiencing now.  

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The WHO is praising president Trumps efforts to defeat Covid-19. The presidents team is doing a great job and Americans know this... well 60% do, you know, the intelligent Americans.


 

Yep. As long as Trump continues to listen to Fauci, all will be well.  

 

“We rely heavily on the scientific innovation and public health prowess of the United States and very much appreciate the way in which Dr. Fauci broke down the issue yesterday when he spoke about the data,” Ryan said. “And he spoke about getting down to the state and the county level and working through the problem and working through the issues.”

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@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:
2009 H1N1 Pandemic Timeline

In 2009, a new H1N1 influenza virus emerged, causing the first global flu pandemic in 40 years. Below is a timeline of major events that took place during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.

 

April 17 2009
  • Second human infection with the new influenza A H1N1 virus detected in California about 130 miles away from first infection, with no known connection to previous patient.

 

June 11
  • The World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic and raised the worldwide pandemic alert level to phase 6, which means the virus was spreading to other parts of the world.
  • CDC held its first press conference with former CDC Director Thomas Frieden, MD, MPH. The press conference had 2,355 participants.
July 22
  • Clinical trials testing the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine began.
September 1
  • More than 1,000 test kits shipped to 120 domestic and 250 international laboratories in 140 countries since May 1, 2009.
September 3
  • CDC published a study that analyzed data related to H1N1 influenza pediatric deaths reported to CDC from April to August 2009 in MMWR. Data showed 477 deaths with lab-confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu in the U.S. had been reported to CDC as of August 8, 2009.
September 30
  • U.S. states placed first orders of 2009 H1N1 vaccine.
October 5
  • First doses of H1N1 vaccine were given in the U.S.
November 16
  • FDA announced its approval of a fifth 2009 H1N1 vaccine.
December 4
  • CDC published preliminary safety results for the 2009 H1N1 vaccines for the first months of reports received through the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERSexternal icon).
December 18
  • First 100 million doses of 2009 H1N1 vaccine were available for ordering.
Late December
  • 2009 H1N1 vaccination had been opened up to anyone who wanted it.
  January 10-16. 2010
  • President of the United States proclaimed National Influenza Vaccination Week (NIVW) and encouraged all Americans to observe the week by getting vaccinated with the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine.
  February
  • FDA’s VRBPAC selected 2009 H1N1 virus for inclusion in 2010-2011 seasonal flu vaccine

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Perspective...  Let's keep it real folks...

 

 

 


When this is all over we can do the same type of timeline and see what took place. We can also see if you can even compare the two viruses as right now we do not even know how the current one works in total. Perspective is right now you can not compare the 2. What you can look at is how all areas of govt are working. The experts in the Fed. Govt. warned us in Jan this was coming and to get ready. That did not happen as the current President said it was not coming, it was a hoax, Dem caused it, fake news, there are only 15 cases so we lost all time at the Federal level to prepare. That left everything to State and local level and that is where we are now. The State an local people in most States are doing a good job. They now get help from the Feds. who tried to warn us in Jan. and that is good. The biggest hindrance to the effort is the President, and that is really why there is such a great effort by his followers to create a diversion to make him look ok. That will not work.


The WHO is praising president Trumps efforts to defeat Covid-19. The presidents team is doing a great job and Americans know this... well 60% do, you know, the intelligent Americans.


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@ManicProgressive wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

Math is a good thing. 


Let's look at the death rates for the respective diseases.

 

H1N1 infected 61 million people and 12,500 died.   That's a death rate of 0.02%.

COVID has infected 54,453 (CDC #) people so far and 737 have died.   The COVID US death rate is 1.35%.   That is 70 times greater than the H1N1 death rate.  

 

And our death rate will likely increase as more are infected.  Just like Italy.  On March 10, Italy's death rate was just 7.7%.   On March 2, their death rate was only 2.6%.   So if our public health restrictions aren't strict enough, we will likely follow their path and watch our death rate increase.  


I made a chart to compare:

 

covid death rate as of 25 March 2020.png

 


Your's is reverse logic based on current test results. The death rate was exponentially high based on FEW early test results. However... Based on the fact that current test results show "on average" ,  almost 90% of those tested  do not have corona virus. Our death rate is falling via total test results. 

 

When all is said in done.... the math will be, what is true. The facts  will be measurable and provable. On the other hand speculation about death rates is meant as an attempt to show bias against  our president, nothing more. It's divisive and negative and your speculation is wrong, very wrong.


Absolutely not.  You don't calculate death rates based on people who have never had the virus.   


One of us doesn't understand ratios, math and science. You calculate death rates by infection rate and then use decimating data to  accurately interpret the information. 

 

You just created new math... again and it's wrong and your bias is the only thing that shows.


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