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We will have no freedoms and will be owned, if we let the wanna be dictator trump gets his way without any resistance. Especially from senate repubs who seem to have lost their souls, morals, and their way. 

Freedoms and free will are lost under dictatorships. 

 

trump is a coward and incompetent!


Now we're back to that "dictator" and "coward" trash talk.

 

What a shame that some are so hate filled, they are unable to discuss something like economic theory without nonsense like the above.


Gee, I have never said any of those things about Trump I only say that he is STUPID

 

GEE - then I guess I wasn't talking to you!!!!


 

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All the class-envy posts overlook the fact that when considering charitable giving, the right does more than the left. It seems like the right takes personal action where the left wants to redistribute other peoples' money.


No. Liberals want to actually solve problems. And higher taxes and support for social services, education, etc. does that more effectively than charity ever has.

 

“Those in favor of lower taxes have argued that individuals are more capable than the government of allocating money to important causes, including people in need of assistance. But the study found that was not true. Donations do not match government assistance, and without tax money, social services are not funded as robustly. 

 

“The evidence shows that private philanthropy can’t compensate for the loss of government provision,” Dr. Nesbit said. “It’s not equal. What government can put into these things is so much more than what we see through private philanthropy.”

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/your-money/republicans-democrats-charity-philanthropy.html

 


Yes, the liberals want the government to solve the problem using other people's money. Conservatives personally make the effort using their own money.

 

Your source is only saying that philanthropy can't replace government programs. My point has to do with the individual willingness (or lack thereof) to put their own money into charities.


It’s not other people’s money. It’s our American money helping fellow Americans. 

 


We have a poster who operates on the theory that the government owns all money and it decides who gets how much. I had thought that he was alone out there in far left field. Now it appears he has company.

 

Your theory is along the line of "we the people" and the government as the "doer" for us.


Uh, no. The government is us. Didn’t you work for government? Aren’t you American?  

 

Government is one of many human-made systems where we organize ourselves to meet societal needs. 


Uh, yes - the government is us until it gets so powerful that it owns and distributes all the money. Then it owns us and we have no freedom.


We’ve been down this road before, and how the Constitution enables taxes to keep us a safe and autonomous  country. You’ve benefited too much to be able to get a free ride. We all have. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

We will have no freedoms and will be owned, if we let the wanna be dictator trump gets his way without any resistance. Especially from senate repubs who seem to have lost their souls, morals, and their way. 

Freedoms and free will are lost under dictatorships. 

 

trump is a coward and incompetent!


Now we're back to that "dictator" and "coward" trash talk.

 

What a shame that some are so hate filled, they are unable to discuss something like economic theory without nonsense like the above.


Trump is more of a snowflake than anything else. His pampered life gave him no reference for people who were not pampered so he assumes "let them eat cake" is a great response when he finds the majority of Americans have little incentive to protect the America version of capitalism. 

 

In America, anyone can go to Harvard. As long as their parents can pony up a $2MM donation to the school. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

We will have no freedoms and will be owned, if we let the wanna be dictator trump gets his way without any resistance. Especially from senate repubs who seem to have lost their souls, morals, and their way. 

Freedoms and free will are lost under dictatorships. 

 

trump is a coward and incompetent!


Now we're back to that "dictator" and "coward" trash talk.

 

What a shame that some are so hate filled, they are unable to discuss something like economic theory without nonsense like the above.


Gee, I have never said any of those things about Trump I only say that he is STUPID

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@williamb39198 wrote:

We will have no freedoms and will be owned, if we let the wanna be dictator trump gets his way without any resistance. Especially from senate repubs who seem to have lost their souls, morals, and their way. 

Freedoms and free will are lost under dictatorships. 

 

trump is a coward and incompetent!


Now we're back to that "dictator" and "coward" trash talk.

 

What a shame that some are so hate filled, they are unable to discuss something like economic theory without nonsense like the above.

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We will have no freedoms and will be owned, if we let the wanna be dictator trump gets his way without any resistance. Especially from senate repubs who seem to have lost their souls, morals, and their way. 

Freedoms and free will are lost under dictatorships. 

 

trump is a coward and incompetent!

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

All the class-envy posts overlook the fact that when considering charitable giving, the right does more than the left. It seems like the right takes personal action where the left wants to redistribute other peoples' money.


No. Liberals want to actually solve problems. And higher taxes and support for social services, education, etc. does that more effectively than charity ever has.

 

“Those in favor of lower taxes have argued that individuals are more capable than the government of allocating money to important causes, including people in need of assistance. But the study found that was not true. Donations do not match government assistance, and without tax money, social services are not funded as robustly. 

 

“The evidence shows that private philanthropy can’t compensate for the loss of government provision,” Dr. Nesbit said. “It’s not equal. What government can put into these things is so much more than what we see through private philanthropy.”

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/your-money/republicans-democrats-charity-philanthropy.html

 


Yes, the liberals want the government to solve the problem using other people's money. Conservatives personally make the effort using their own money.

 

Your source is only saying that philanthropy can't replace government programs. My point has to do with the individual willingness (or lack thereof) to put their own money into charities.


It’s not other people’s money. It’s our American money helping fellow Americans. 

 


We have a poster who operates on the theory that the government owns all money and it decides who gets how much. I had thought that he was alone out there in far left field. Now it appears he has company.

 

Your theory is along the line of "we the people" and the government as the "doer" for us.


Uh, no. The government is us. Didn’t you work for government? Aren’t you American?  

 

Government is one of many human-made systems where we organize ourselves to meet societal needs. 


Uh, yes - the government is us until it gets so powerful that it owns and distributes all the money. Then it owns us and we have no freedom.

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@john258 

Thanks for your post to expand the “envelope” of influence by the trump gang. We must continue our push for facts and truth about what is happening in our country, but I would draw from your post that big money donors are supporting the radical right...for control in the world of influence? And we need to stay in touch with world events. 

Such as bannon versus the Pope, what is steve up to, where is the money coming from, who is he playing to, or is he just trying to drum up support because he hasn’t been getting attention

recently...like no one attending his lectures!

@Richva 

Keep posting the 90 / 10 split on wealth. 

It’s the truth, no matter how much the right tries to dispute it, or contrive alternate facts concerning the split. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

All the class-envy posts overlook the fact that when considering charitable giving, the right does more than the left. It seems like the right takes personal action where the left wants to redistribute other peoples' money.


No. Liberals want to actually solve problems. And higher taxes and support for social services, education, etc. does that more effectively than charity ever has.

 

“Those in favor of lower taxes have argued that individuals are more capable than the government of allocating money to important causes, including people in need of assistance. But the study found that was not true. Donations do not match government assistance, and without tax money, social services are not funded as robustly. 

 

“The evidence shows that private philanthropy can’t compensate for the loss of government provision,” Dr. Nesbit said. “It’s not equal. What government can put into these things is so much more than what we see through private philanthropy.”

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/your-money/republicans-democrats-charity-philanthropy.html

 


Yes, the liberals want the government to solve the problem using other people's money. Conservatives personally make the effort using their own money.

 

Your source is only saying that philanthropy can't replace government programs. My point has to do with the individual willingness (or lack thereof) to put their own money into charities.


It’s not other people’s money. It’s our American money helping fellow Americans. 

 


We have a poster who operates on the theory that the government owns all money and it decides who gets how much. I had thought that he was alone out there in far left field. Now it appears he has company.

 

Your theory is along the line of "we the people" and the government as the "doer" for us.


Uh, no. The government is us. Didn’t you work for government? Aren’t you American?  

 

Government is one of many human-made systems where we organize ourselves to meet societal needs. 

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

All the class-envy posts overlook the fact that when considering charitable giving, the right does more than the left. It seems like the right takes personal action where the left wants to redistribute other peoples' money.


No. Liberals want to actually solve problems. And higher taxes and support for social services, education, etc. does that more effectively than charity ever has.

 

“Those in favor of lower taxes have argued that individuals are more capable than the government of allocating money to important causes, including people in need of assistance. But the study found that was not true. Donations do not match government assistance, and without tax money, social services are not funded as robustly. 

 

“The evidence shows that private philanthropy can’t compensate for the loss of government provision,” Dr. Nesbit said. “It’s not equal. What government can put into these things is so much more than what we see through private philanthropy.”

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/your-money/republicans-democrats-charity-philanthropy.html

 


Yes, the liberals want the government to solve the problem using other people's money. Conservatives personally make the effort using their own money.

 

Your source is only saying that philanthropy can't replace government programs. My point has to do with the individual willingness (or lack thereof) to put their own money into charities.


It’s not other people’s money. It’s our American money helping fellow Americans. 

 


We have a poster who operates on the theory that the government owns all money and it decides who gets how much. I had thought that he was alone out there in far left field. Now it appears he has company.

 

Your theory is along the line of "we the people" and the government as the "doer" for us.

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