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 That will put our naval and other operations in harm's way.

 

What good is an air craft carrier if we can't use the air planes? 

 

Huge investment, we have 11


You 'get it' !  That's my point, our Navy and it's presence is effective because of it's ability to do immediate air strikes through the use of the Navy Air Core carriers and airplanes. We need a new president.


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 That will put our naval and other operations in harm's way.

 

What good is an air craft carrier if we can't use the air planes? 

 

Huge investment, we have 11

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Turkey Purchases Russian Air Defense System, Rift Between Turkey And U.S. May Be Permanent

 

Russian SS- 400 is more capable then the US Patriot system at half the price.

 

Mobile, longer range, multiple payload options, this system can fire four different missiles. 

 

Three man crew can set it up in five minutes off a truck based system.

 

Claims are it can hit a basketball sized target  moving at supersonic speed.

 

System does not use radar,  it uses a variety of different radio waves, stealth technology protection is limited or useless.  

 

Cost is half of the US Patriot, 500 million versus for the mobile SS - 400 one billion for the fixed position  Patriot.

 

This system can also collect data from aircraft, so even when it not in combat it's always watching, collecting data for possible weaknesses, hacks, or exploits.

 

The threat to any aircraft flying in range of this system real even if not in combat. 

 

US air bases in Turkey may have to move out.

 

Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt,  India,  and probably Iran have this system.

 

This variant is land based, but there are also ship based systems.

 

The US probably has tricks up it's sleeve, countermeasures, but using them reveals them.

 

The whole threats against Iran thing is smoke and mirrors, the US isn't going to carry out air strikes in the Middle East like it used to, and everyone ( except the American people ) knows it.  

 

Trump tore up the Iran Nuclear Arms agreement knowing this, now he'll pay the restraint role, but Trump is impotent, the only real punishment the US can impose on Iran is sanctions.

 

I think the world is going to figure out a way around those too.  

 

Image result for ss 400 deployment countries list

 

 

 

 

 


We very well may lose our air bases there because of this. That will put our naval and other operations in harm's way. The mess in the Middle East is broadening. We have to get trump out of office.


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Turkey Purchases Russian Air Defense System, Rift Between Turkey And U.S. May Be Permanent

 

Russian SS- 400 is more capable then the US Patriot system at half the price.

 

Mobile, longer range, multiple payload options, this system can fire four different missiles. 

 

Three man crew can set it up in five minutes off a truck based system.

 

Claims are it can hit a basketball sized target  moving at supersonic speed.

 

System does not use radar,  it uses a variety of different radio waves, stealth technology protection is limited or useless.  

 

Cost is half of the US Patriot, 500 million versus for the mobile SS - 400 one billion for the fixed position  Patriot.

 

This system can also collect data from aircraft, so even when it not in combat it's always watching, collecting data for possible weaknesses, hacks, or exploits.

 

The threat to any aircraft flying in range of this system real even if not in combat. 

 

US air bases in Turkey may have to move out.

 

Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt,  India,  and probably Iran have this system.

 

This variant is land based, but there are also ship based systems.

 

The US probably has tricks up it's sleeve, countermeasures, but using them reveals them.

 

The whole threats against Iran thing is smoke and mirrors, the US isn't going to carry out air strikes in the Middle East like it used to, and everyone ( except the American people ) knows it.  

 

Trump tore up the Iran Nuclear Arms agreement knowing this, now he'll pay the restraint role, but Trump is impotent, the only real punishment the US can impose on Iran is sanctions.

 

I think the world is going to figure out a way around those too.  

 

Image result for ss 400 deployment countries list

 

 

 

 

 

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Just a few years ago Turkey and Russia were close to war with each other. Turkey shot down a Russian military plane for crossing into its air space. Trump arrived and all changed. Turkey has a dictator like Trump, and their dictator knows a bad Dictator when they see one, and they saw one in Trump. Russia has a Dictator and Turkey likes him. Incirlik air base is really large. The city close to it is like being in an American town, as that is where our military people go, and even live. When I flew into that city about 80% of the people on the plane were American. We have all kind of planes stationed there as this is really our NATO air base for region. If we loose the base it will effect us. Trump in action destroying the USA, and NATO. Our Dictator strikes again and the US looses.


This is trump's fault. This rift may very well be permanent and we have much to lose. The only chance we have to renegotiate things with Turkey is to get trump out of office.


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Just a few years ago Turkey and Russia were close to war with each other. Turkey shot down a Russian military plane for crossing into its air space. Trump arrived and all changed. Turkey has a dictator like Trump, and their dictator knows a bad Dictator when they see one, and they saw one in Trump. Russia has a Dictator and Turkey likes him. Incirlik air base is really large. The city close to it is like being in an American town, as that is where our military people go, and even live. When I flew into that city about 80% of the people on the plane were American. We have all kind of planes stationed there as this is really our NATO air base for region. If we loose the base it will effect us. Trump in action destroying the USA, and NATO. Our Dictator strikes again and the US looses.

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SOURCE: https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Trump-Protests-Turkey-Still-Buys-Russian-Milit...  

 

Trump Protests - Turkey Still Buys Russian Military

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The rift in the relationship between the U.S. and Turkey may be permanent
Analysis: U.S. officials say Turkey is no longer a reliable NATO ally. The Erdogan government's receipt of a Russian air defense system is a turning point.
Image: S-400 missile air defense systems during a Victory Day parade in the Red Square in Moscow on May 9, 2018.
S-400 missile air defense systems during a Victory Day parade in the Red Square in Moscow on May 9, 2018.Sergei Karpukhin / Reuters file
 

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