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rk9152:Interferred with - yes, but no one has yet shown a single vote they changed. 

 

 

 

Really?

 

Trump transition official in email: Russia 'has just thrown the U.S.A election'

President Trump's former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland told a friend in an email when she was on Trump's transition team that Russia "threw" the U.S. election to Trump, The New York Times reported Saturday.

McFarland reportedly wrote in the email that sanctions then-President Obama levied on Russia in response to Moscow's election meddling would make it more difficult for Trump to improve relations with Russia, "which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362951-trump-transition-official-in-email-russia-has-jus...

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rk9152:   What is funny? the woman doesn't seem to understand that Mueller's job was basically to "get Trump" and he failed, so his second report was written to help the Congress pick up where he left off  (in failure).

 

 

This poor woman wasn't the only one not understanding what Mueller's job was.

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mickstuder:  

Facts First: It's not clear where Trump is getting his numbers. The latest information from the Justice Department goes through September and says Mueller-specific expenses were around $12 million. Mueller's final price tag will be higher than that, but the data isn't public yet.
 
 
It should be remembered that due to forfieture of assets, Mueller got many millions (20M?) from Manafort and others.
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@CriticalThinking you have still not provided a case illustrating legal precedent.  The Justice Department does not prosecute people for what they think or want.

 

There was no collusion.

 

You can not obstruct justice by thinking anything.

 

There is no obstruction.

 

 

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"We are former federal prosecutors. We served under both Republican and Democratic administrations at different levels of the federal system: as line attorneys, supervisors, special prosecutors, United States Attorneys, and senior officials at the Department of Justice. The offices in which we served were small, medium, and large; urban, suburban, and rural; and located in all parts of our country.

 

Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.

 

The Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming. These include:

· The President’s efforts to fire Mueller and to falsify evidence about that effort;

· The President’s efforts to limit the scope of Mueller’s investigation to exclude his conduct; and

· The President’s efforts to prevent witnesses from cooperating with investigators probing him and his campaign."

 

https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

 

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First, I completely answered JimC's question by showing him federal law. Obviously he didn't understand the significance of what I uploaded. Let me repeat that another way. The process of trying to impede a federal prosecution is in itself classified as "Obstruction of Justice". 

 

One doesn't have to be successful at it, the attempt itself is a crime. 

And there doesn't have to be an underlying crime. 

 

Second, as for JimC's other point, it proves how Trump Lovers exist in an alternate reality where facts and the truth are irrelevant. In my next post, I'm going to upload part of a response from hundreds of special prosecutors, who unlike JimC, actually read the Mueller Report.They concluded there were multiple accounts of Trump obstructing justice. Unfortunately, they don't show this kind of detailed information on Fox.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Obstructing Justice Under Federal Jurisdiction

Obstruction of justice is defined by federal statute as any "interference with the orderly administration of law and justice" and governed by 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521. Federal code identifies more than 20 specific types of obstruction, including "Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees" (18 U.S.C. § 1505), the specific code section cited in the Nixon and Clinton articles of impeachment.

 

Other ways an individual may commit this offense include, but are not limited to, the following acts:

The crime can take any number of forms, whether it's bribery, tampering with evidence, lying to investigators, abusing one's power, or some other act intended to impede a criminal investigation. The federal obstruction of justice statute is written broadly and focuses more on the effect (or intended effect) of a particular action rather than the specific act itself. Therefore, seemingly innocuous acts could be construed as criminal activity if they have the intended effect of impeding justice.


I don't see a case in point there, did I miss it?  Please show a legal precedent for what you are describing and then tell me what Trump obstructed that prevented Mueller from doing his Job.

 

 

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Obstructing Justice Under Federal Jurisdiction

Obstruction of justice is defined by federal statute as any "interference with the orderly administration of law and justice" and governed by 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521. Federal code identifies more than 20 specific types of obstruction, including "Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees" (18 U.S.C. § 1505), the specific code section cited in the Nixon and Clinton articles of impeachment.

 

Other ways an individual may commit this offense include, but are not limited to, the following acts:

The crime can take any number of forms, whether it's bribery, tampering with evidence, lying to investigators, abusing one's power, or some other act intended to impede a criminal investigation. The federal obstruction of justice statute is written broadly and focuses more on the effect (or intended effect) of a particular action rather than the specific act itself. Therefore, seemingly innocuous acts could be construed as criminal activity if they have the intended effect of impeding justice.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

JimC said, "You can't obstruct justice concernaing a matter that never occured.  Plain and simple..."

 

JimC was completely wrong again. "Obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, is a process crime, consisting of obstructing prosecutors or other officials (usually government)."


Perhaps you could provide legal precedent then.

 

And while you are at it show where Trump (candidate or President) prevented Mueller from doing his job.

 

 

 

And whi

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JimC said, "You can't obstruct justice concernaing a matter that never occured.  Plain and simple..."

 

JimC was completely wrong again. "Obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, is a process crime, consisting of obstructing prosecutors or other officials (usually government)."

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