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Like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.....If Congress and the President can't handle the decision then perhaps they should call an emergency vote and put it to the people in a non-electoral college vote...a public vote....Let "the people" make the darn decisions they are not willing to do and get our country moving again????

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@Snoopy48 wrote:


An experienced negotiator (or any intelligent person) would have done just what Pelosi did when Trump made his demand. Maybe Trump could find some 5 year olds to teach him how to negotiate since they can do a much better job than has shown.


Fine - we have one experienced negotiator (and intelligent person) totally locked into a position of not funding physical barriers as part of the budget and another experienced negotiator (and intelligent person) totally locked into a position of physical barriers must be part of the budget.

 

Which is at fault? Which needs the 5 year old for advice?


You know, Trump once offered to take an IQ test. It is starting to look like we need to accept that offer. 

 

The one at fault is the one who said he would accept a deal hammered out by hundreds of people over many months and then changed his mind when Limbaugh said he was being a bad boy. 

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

 


@LeeV999430 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

December: Trump: I will PROUDLY shut down the government over my border wall

 

Jan. 4, 2019

WASHINGTON — President Trump threatened on Friday to keep the federal government partly closed for “months or even years” if he did not get $5.6 billion for his wall at the southern border,


Can you discuss the issue, which is the border? 

 

 


Okay, let's discuss "the border". 

 

First a little history. When Mexico seceded from Spain in 1821, it's territory included Texas, California and a bunch of New Mexico and Arizona.

In 1836, a bunch of white slave owners in Texas declared independence from Mexico. After the War with Mexico in 1848, America annexed the lands north of the Rio Grand and established the border pretty much as it is today.

 

Since 1848, people and goods have flowed easily across that border to the great benefit of both countries, but in 2002, jrbush, needing to divert attention from his disastrous diversion of our intelligence services to finding an excuse to invade Iraq and grab the oil thereby totally missing the 9/11 terrorists, tried to pretend he was making us safer by closing the border with Mexico.

 

About 3.5 million workers who HAD been migrating back and forth to "follow the harvest" decided to stay on our side and just send their paychecks home because they could not count on jr letting them get to their jobs next season.When they came here, they were NOT considered "illegal", same as the next group.

 

Another 6 million came into the country by air and simply overstayed their Visas and with all the Republican cuts to Government workers, there were never enough INS agents to find them.

 

And a few hundred thousand came across the Mexican border for jobs they read about in local (Mexican) newspapers, placed there by the Americans who still employ them.

 

So that's where the 11 million undocumented workers came from - about FIVE PERCENT actually crossed the border from Mexico ILLEGALLY, and over the last couple years, the number coming north has been nearly equaled by the ones going back south.

 

The only significant INCREASE in cross-border migration is those from CENTRAL America who are fleeing for their lives and hoping to find asylum in America.

 

Democrats already agreed to the physical barriers that now cover 900 miles nearly half the length of the border. What is there already provides all the security that can be obtained from physical barriers.

 

What lil donny droopdrawers demands is 230 ADDITIONAL miles OUT IN THE DESERT, costing $5billion EACH YEAR.

 

There are no drugs using that route - what crosses the border does so in big trucks, which, thanks to Republicans constantly slashing Government jobs, we do not have enough inspectors to check.

 

There are no terrorists using that route - why would they when their Saudi sponsors can easily get them first class tickets to any airport they desire?

 

All that are coming thru the desert are poor brown people donny's base are terrified of. Why? Because they've been told by donny, elected GOPers, Fox and the rest of the Republican Propaganda Ministry those people will find ways to VOTE and elect DEMOCRATS, right after they flood our welfare systems, hospitals and schools with their disease ridden children.


So GOPers, lets here some SPECIFICS on how the ADDITIONAL 230 miles of barriers lil donny demands before releasing his 2 million hostages can possibly justify holding those hostages in the first place?


Are you sure that all 60 of the signatures of the Texas Declaration of Independence were slave owners?? If not, why do you incorporate race into everything.


One of the big reasons Texas wanted to separate from Mexico was because slavery was illegal in Mexico.


That wasn't the question for scout.

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@Snoopy48 wrote:


An experienced negotiator (or any intelligent person) would have done just what Pelosi did when Trump made his demand. Maybe Trump could find some 5 year olds to teach him how to negotiate since they can do a much better job than has shown.


Fine - we have one experienced negotiator (and intelligent person) totally locked into a position of not funding physical barriers as part of the budget and another experienced negotiator (and intelligent person) totally locked into a position of physical barriers must be part of the budget.

 

Which is at fault? Which needs the 5 year old for advice?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

 


@LeeV999430 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

December: Trump: I will PROUDLY shut down the government over my border wall

 

Jan. 4, 2019

WASHINGTON — President Trump threatened on Friday to keep the federal government partly closed for “months or even years” if he did not get $5.6 billion for his wall at the southern border,


Can you discuss the issue, which is the border? 

 

 


Okay, let's discuss "the border". 

 

First a little history. When Mexico seceded from Spain in 1821, it's territory included Texas, California and a bunch of New Mexico and Arizona.

In 1836, a bunch of white slave owners in Texas declared independence from Mexico. After the War with Mexico in 1848, America annexed the lands north of the Rio Grand and established the border pretty much as it is today.

 

Since 1848, people and goods have flowed easily across that border to the great benefit of both countries, but in 2002, jrbush, needing to divert attention from his disastrous diversion of our intelligence services to finding an excuse to invade Iraq and grab the oil thereby totally missing the 9/11 terrorists, tried to pretend he was making us safer by closing the border with Mexico.

 

About 3.5 million workers who HAD been migrating back and forth to "follow the harvest" decided to stay on our side and just send their paychecks home because they could not count on jr letting them get to their jobs next season.When they came here, they were NOT considered "illegal", same as the next group.

 

Another 6 million came into the country by air and simply overstayed their Visas and with all the Republican cuts to Government workers, there were never enough INS agents to find them.

 

And a few hundred thousand came across the Mexican border for jobs they read about in local (Mexican) newspapers, placed there by the Americans who still employ them.

 

So that's where the 11 million undocumented workers came from - about FIVE PERCENT actually crossed the border from Mexico ILLEGALLY, and over the last couple years, the number coming north has been nearly equaled by the ones going back south.

 

The only significant INCREASE in cross-border migration is those from CENTRAL America who are fleeing for their lives and hoping to find asylum in America.

 

Democrats already agreed to the physical barriers that now cover 900 miles nearly half the length of the border. What is there already provides all the security that can be obtained from physical barriers.

 

What lil donny droopdrawers demands is 230 ADDITIONAL miles OUT IN THE DESERT, costing $5billion EACH YEAR.

 

There are no drugs using that route - what crosses the border does so in big trucks, which, thanks to Republicans constantly slashing Government jobs, we do not have enough inspectors to check.

 

There are no terrorists using that route - why would they when their Saudi sponsors can easily get them first class tickets to any airport they desire?

 

All that are coming thru the desert are poor brown people donny's base are terrified of. Why? Because they've been told by donny, elected GOPers, Fox and the rest of the Republican Propaganda Ministry those people will find ways to VOTE and elect DEMOCRATS, right after they flood our welfare systems, hospitals and schools with their disease ridden children.


So GOPers, lets here some SPECIFICS on how the ADDITIONAL 230 miles of barriers lil donny demands before releasing his 2 million hostages can possibly justify holding those hostages in the first place?


Are you sure that all 60 of the signatures of the Texas Declaration of Independence were slave owners?? If not, why do you incorporate race into everything.


One of the big reasons Texas wanted to separate from Mexico was because slavery was illegal in Mexico.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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When one of the key parties states in advance that she refuses to discuss a main item to be negotiated - there is no negotiation to walk out of.


I don't think Pelosi ever said she was not willing to discuss a wall. Her position is that she is not funding a wall.  Trump refused to discuss any other item (HE is the one who walked out, remember?) .   I have never heard Pelosi say she would not come back to the negotiating table. She simply said her position on wall funding was not negotiable. 

 

Since it was to be a budgetary meeting, "funding" is a key issue.

 

That it is and has been the key issue, so the refusal to discuss it made the meeting pointless. 


 


Which is exactly the reason Pelosi and Schumer have refused a third meeting.  Trump refuses to change his stance, they cannot, in good conscience, change their position.  No point in having a meeting. Asked and answered.  

 

It might have gone smoother at this point had Trump not walked out of the last meeting but, he is an inexperienced negotiator. 


Had he not walked out, what would they have talked about? Without the border barrier on the table, no resolution was possible.

 

An experienced negotiator (or any intelligent person) would see that.


An experienced negotiator (or any intelligent person) would have done just what Pelosi did when Trump made his demand. Maybe Trump could find some 5 year olds to teach him how to negotiate since they can do a much better job than has shown.

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@LeeV999430 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

December: Trump: I will PROUDLY shut down the government over my border wall

 

Jan. 4, 2019

WASHINGTON — President Trump threatened on Friday to keep the federal government partly closed for “months or even years” if he did not get $5.6 billion for his wall at the southern border,


Can you discuss the issue, which is the border? 

 

 


Okay, let's discuss "the border". 

 

First a little history. When Mexico seceded from Spain in 1821, it's territory included Texas, California and a bunch of New Mexico and Arizona.

In 1836, a bunch of white slave owners in Texas declared independence from Mexico. After the War with Mexico in 1848, America annexed the lands north of the Rio Grand and established the border pretty much as it is today.

 

Since 1848, people and goods have flowed easily across that border to the great benefit of both countries, but in 2002, jrbush, needing to divert attention from his disastrous diversion of our intelligence services to finding an excuse to invade Iraq and grab the oil thereby totally missing the 9/11 terrorists, tried to pretend he was making us safer by closing the border with Mexico.

 

About 3.5 million workers who HAD been migrating back and forth to "follow the harvest" decided to stay on our side and just send their paychecks home because they could not count on jr letting them get to their jobs next season.When they came here, they were NOT considered "illegal", same as the next group.

 

Another 6 million came into the country by air and simply overstayed their Visas and with all the Republican cuts to Government workers, there were never enough INS agents to find them.

 

And a few hundred thousand came across the Mexican border for jobs they read about in local (Mexican) newspapers, placed there by the Americans who still employ them.

 

So that's where the 11 million undocumented workers came from - about FIVE PERCENT actually crossed the border from Mexico ILLEGALLY, and over the last couple years, the number coming north has been nearly equaled by the ones going back south.

 

The only significant INCREASE in cross-border migration is those from CENTRAL America who are fleeing for their lives and hoping to find asylum in America.

 

Democrats already agreed to the physical barriers that now cover 900 miles nearly half the length of the border. What is there already provides all the security that can be obtained from physical barriers.

 

What lil donny droopdrawers demands is 230 ADDITIONAL miles OUT IN THE DESERT, costing $5billion EACH YEAR.

 

There are no drugs using that route - what crosses the border does so in big trucks, which, thanks to Republicans constantly slashing Government jobs, we do not have enough inspectors to check.

 

There are no terrorists using that route - why would they when their Saudi sponsors can easily get them first class tickets to any airport they desire?

 

All that are coming thru the desert are poor brown people donny's base are terrified of. Why? Because they've been told by donny, elected GOPers, Fox and the rest of the Republican Propaganda Ministry those people will find ways to VOTE and elect DEMOCRATS, right after they flood our welfare systems, hospitals and schools with their disease ridden children.


So GOPers, lets here some SPECIFICS on how the ADDITIONAL 230 miles of barriers lil donny demands before releasing his 2 million hostages can possibly justify holding those hostages in the first place?


Are you sure that all 60 of the signatures of the Texas Declaration of Independence were slave owners?? If not, why do you incorporate race into everything.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:


"resolving" the border "issue" is not building a wall. 
It is certainly the budgetary issue.

 


 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

neoRepublicans have no programs that benefit the 99% so they must cling to power by getting their base to believe they are defending the Nation against some quasi-Satanic power that will render us all dependant on food stamps if we tax the rich.

 

 

In the meantime, lil donny's tanTrump is depriving over 2 MILLION Americans of their paychecks, and even if most of them are contract workers who should've read the fine print more closely, that's still an example of truely Demonic action on the part of lil donny and the Yertle McConnell.

 

How they get people to ignore reality and substitute whatever mime the GOPerLords feed them is a mystery, but one that will be dealt with Nov 2020.

 


Obviously, many of those 99% got tax cuts and many got jobs since Trump refused to accept Obama's "new normal" with the economy. I have not seen ant "Satanic" projections coming from my side of the street - it's your guys  (generic).

 

none of that wisdom I offered you came from a GOPerLord - only from my superior intelligence.


It appears Trump's new normal is trade wars, corruption, and closed government. 

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