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Re: Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

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NerdyMom wrote:

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wonkblog had a lot of complaints but let's focus on one part - your REAL Christian values. Is it in opposition to REAL Christian values to ask a capable person to work for the property of others that is given to him?


Yes, it is. How do you not know that?


"It is in opposition to REAL Christian values for a capable person to work for the property that is given to him"?   That reflects some strange values...  Why should I or anyone give to someone that is capable but won't work.  


If your chose to do so, it's your property - you can do as you see fit. However, when the government seizes the property of the worker - that is an entirely different story.

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NerdyMom wrote:

rk9152 wrote:


wonkblog had a lot of complaints but let's focus on one part - your REAL Christian values. Is it in opposition to REAL Christian values to ask a capable person to work for the property of others that is given to him?


Yes, it is. How do you not know that?


"It is in opposition to REAL Christian values for a capable person to work for the property that is given to him"?   That reflects some strange values...  Why should I or anyone give to someone that is capable but won't work.  

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Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

President Trump proposed a budget Monday that hits the poorest Americans the hardest, slashing billions of dollars in food stamps, health insurance and federal housing subsidies while pushing legislation to institute broad work requirements for families receiving housing vouchers, expanding on moves by some states to require recipients of Medicaid and food stamps to work.

 

The Trump budget proposal would gut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as food stamps, by $17.2 billion in 2019 — equivalent to 22 percent of the program’s total cost last year. It calls for cuts of more than $213.5 billion over the next decade, a reduction of nearly 30 percent, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

 

In addition, Trump is proposing a full-scale redesign of SNAP, which provides an average of $125 per month to 42.2 million Americans. For the last 40 years, the program has allowed beneficiaries to use SNAP benefits at grocery stores as if they were cash. Under the budget proposal, the  Department of Agriculture would use a portion of those benefits to buy and deliver a package of U.S.-grown commodities to SNAP households that receive $90 or more in assistance each month, using the government’s buying power to obtain common foods at lower costs.

 

“This budget proposes taking away food assistance from millions of low-income Americans — and on the heels of a tax cut that favored the wealthy and corporations," said Stacy Dean, president for food assistance policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "It doesn’t reflect the right values.”

 

The proposal repeats several cost-cutting measures from last year, including new restrictions on eligibility and stricter requirements around the use of work-requirement waivers, which allow states with high unemployment rates to extend benefits to adults who are out of work for longer than three months.

 

Congress has final say over spending — but Monday's budget proposal is seen as an important sign of Trump's priorities.

 

The budget proposal would also "reform" programs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development "to encourage work and self-sufficiency," the document said.

 

Trump's proposed budget for the 2019 fiscal year includes a 14 percent cut to HUD, amounting to $6.8 billion below the agency’s current $48 billion spending, an even deeper cut than his previous year's proposal which had been the most dramatic cut to HUD since President Ronald Reagan slashed the agency’s funding in the early 1980s.

 

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Is anyone surprised at this elitist budget proposed by trump? Give bigger tax cuts to the rich, cut benefits to the poor.....REAL Christian values.......not the evangelicals will say what a great president we have because he's been forgiven for all his prior transgressions........


wonkblog had a lot of complaints but let's focus on one part - your REAL Christian values. Is it in opposition to REAL Christian values to ask a capable person to work for the property of others that is given to him?


Yes, it is. How do you not know that?


That makes no sense - try again,

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   Theocratic nonsense.    How pathetic.    Does everyone here know that the quote they are using to justify cutting SNAP etc is not a christian idea nor is it in the religious book that some clutch and attempt to sell as their standard.     The quote is Chinese / Taoism.     

 

    People have been sold so many lies - that they are incapable of thinking clearly.    Public education works.   Politicians have made it a target, because a} they can, b} it cost money c) moving metrics and d) the people who are directly affected don't have lobbyists.   

     Another of the attacks by Donald and his regime is to end the process of eliminating college loans if the graduate goes to rural areas in the country and applies their expertise to assist that community.   No new ideas or innovations will be delivered to that area, so it will remain a backwater of ignorance.   This plan was a great way to get talented medical professionals to go to those areas and improve the health access / treatment of those people...   I suppose those people will not comprehend that they have been totally sold out by the guy who said he was going to maga - little did they know, he was planning to literally  take them back to the 50's of which many have no  accurate memory. 

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rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

President Trump proposed a budget Monday that hits the poorest Americans the hardest, slashing billions of dollars in food stamps, health insurance and federal housing subsidies while pushing legislation to institute broad work requirements for families receiving housing vouchers, expanding on moves by some states to require recipients of Medicaid and food stamps to work.

 

The Trump budget proposal would gut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as food stamps, by $17.2 billion in 2019 — equivalent to 22 percent of the program’s total cost last year. It calls for cuts of more than $213.5 billion over the next decade, a reduction of nearly 30 percent, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

 

In addition, Trump is proposing a full-scale redesign of SNAP, which provides an average of $125 per month to 42.2 million Americans. For the last 40 years, the program has allowed beneficiaries to use SNAP benefits at grocery stores as if they were cash. Under the budget proposal, the  Department of Agriculture would use a portion of those benefits to buy and deliver a package of U.S.-grown commodities to SNAP households that receive $90 or more in assistance each month, using the government’s buying power to obtain common foods at lower costs.

 

“This budget proposes taking away food assistance from millions of low-income Americans — and on the heels of a tax cut that favored the wealthy and corporations," said Stacy Dean, president for food assistance policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "It doesn’t reflect the right values.”

 

The proposal repeats several cost-cutting measures from last year, including new restrictions on eligibility and stricter requirements around the use of work-requirement waivers, which allow states with high unemployment rates to extend benefits to adults who are out of work for longer than three months.

 

Congress has final say over spending — but Monday's budget proposal is seen as an important sign of Trump's priorities.

 

The budget proposal would also "reform" programs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development "to encourage work and self-sufficiency," the document said.

 

Trump's proposed budget for the 2019 fiscal year includes a 14 percent cut to HUD, amounting to $6.8 billion below the agency’s current $48 billion spending, an even deeper cut than his previous year's proposal which had been the most dramatic cut to HUD since President Ronald Reagan slashed the agency’s funding in the early 1980s.

 

more at:  Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

Is anyone surprised at this elitist budget proposed by trump? Give bigger tax cuts to the rich, cut benefits to the poor.....REAL Christian values.......not the evangelicals will say what a great president we have because he's been forgiven for all his prior transgressions........


wonkblog had a lot of complaints but let's focus on one part - your REAL Christian values. Is it in opposition to REAL Christian values to ask a capable person to work for the property of others that is given to him?


Yes, it is. How do you not know that?

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You are right about the hypocrisy and outright cynicism exhibited  by extremists on the Right hell-bent on keeping us on a pathway to a plutocratic oligarchy.  Their supporters will seize on this as a fulfillment of campaign promises by not only 'the donald', but the Party in Power, the antithesis of the Party of Lincoln. 

 

Everyone here has already heard all we need to hear from the 'representatives' of that corrupt coalition here on this board.  The Evangelical brand of  'organized religion' sees nothing wrong with 'flaws' in the character of those bringing about conversion to the 'right way of looking at things'.  Saves Souls, you see?  Bad things can happen when you 'look the other way', BUT....''you do have to break eggs to make an omelet".  It's something that just has to be done, donchasee?  It's for the 'good' of us all.  Heard that before?

 

You will shortly hear an endless litany that this is necessary because "those people" just won't "do anything for themselves"....all "they" want to do is "take it away from somebody that works for a living".  Sound familiar? 

 

There are ample examples available that stereotype is sometimes, not always, true.  Those who happen to be "on welfare" are not immune from that flaw.  A justification used to inaccurately make that stereotype universally applicable. It absolutely applies to they who use other people to achieve their own ends.  In my book, the offense is far more grievous by the people who see fit to voice that as part of their rationale for exploitation.

 

We will once more hear, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he will be fed for a lifetime".  The probability is so high, it is very nearly a certainty.  The specific wording varies.  It's not in the new or old testament, though.  Not quite what Jesus had in mind.  No matter.  Sounds good and fits their agenda just right.

 

Education is the answer, of course.  Trouble is, it doesn't start in schools.  It cannot even be delegated to schools...not in the United States.  The culture that has built up is itself a major cause of the corruption we see.  It's hard to tell somebody not to do something they see all around them......."everybody else does it".  The "new normal"  You've heard that before too.

 

So....how is it WE go about fixing this before WE ALL go down the tube.  I think I have an inkling....it's just that it may be too late to do it.  Somebody's responsible, right?  Got any idea who it really is?

 

A lot of generalities there, let's focus on two areas. What is wrong with the "Teach a man to fish......." concept? You seem to be poo-pooing it. 

 

Education - you are right, but what is the solution.? It can't be laid solely at the feet of educators yet LBJ gave us a welfare system that destroys the family - the place where education should begin. I have seen no fix for that.

 

 


 

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Centristsin2010 wrote:

Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

President Trump proposed a budget Monday that hits the poorest Americans the hardest, slashing billions of dollars in food stamps, health insurance and federal housing subsidies while pushing legislation to institute broad work requirements for families receiving housing vouchers, expanding on moves by some states to require recipients of Medicaid and food stamps to work.

 

The Trump budget proposal would gut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as food stamps, by $17.2 billion in 2019 — equivalent to 22 percent of the program’s total cost last year. It calls for cuts of more than $213.5 billion over the next decade, a reduction of nearly 30 percent, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

 

In addition, Trump is proposing a full-scale redesign of SNAP, which provides an average of $125 per month to 42.2 million Americans. For the last 40 years, the program has allowed beneficiaries to use SNAP benefits at grocery stores as if they were cash. Under the budget proposal, the  Department of Agriculture would use a portion of those benefits to buy and deliver a package of U.S.-grown commodities to SNAP households that receive $90 or more in assistance each month, using the government’s buying power to obtain common foods at lower costs.

 

“This budget proposes taking away food assistance from millions of low-income Americans — and on the heels of a tax cut that favored the wealthy and corporations," said Stacy Dean, president for food assistance policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "It doesn’t reflect the right values.”

 

The proposal repeats several cost-cutting measures from last year, including new restrictions on eligibility and stricter requirements around the use of work-requirement waivers, which allow states with high unemployment rates to extend benefits to adults who are out of work for longer than three months.

 

Congress has final say over spending — but Monday's budget proposal is seen as an important sign of Trump's priorities.

 

The budget proposal would also "reform" programs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development "to encourage work and self-sufficiency," the document said.

 

Trump's proposed budget for the 2019 fiscal year includes a 14 percent cut to HUD, amounting to $6.8 billion below the agency’s current $48 billion spending, an even deeper cut than his previous year's proposal which had been the most dramatic cut to HUD since President Ronald Reagan slashed the agency’s funding in the early 1980s.

 

more at:  Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

Is anyone surprised at this elitist budget proposed by trump? Give bigger tax cuts to the rich, cut benefits to the poor.....REAL Christian values.......not the evangelicals will say what a great president we have because he's been forgiven for all his prior transgressions........


wonkblog had a lot of complaints but let's focus on one part - your REAL Christian values. Is it in opposition to REAL Christian values to ask a capable person to work for the property of others that is given to him?

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@umbarch64 wrote:

You are right about the hypocrisy and outright cynicism exhibited  by extremists on the Right hell-bent on keeping us on a pathway to a plutocratic oligarchy.  Their supporters will seize on this as a fulfillment of campaign promises by not only 'the donald', but the Party in Power, the antithesis of the Party of Lincoln. 

 

Everyone here has already heard all we need to hear from the 'representatives' of that corrupt coalition here on this board.  The Evangelical brand of  'organized religion' sees nothing wrong with 'flaws' in the character of those bringing about conversion to the 'right way of looking at things'.  Saves Souls, you see?  Bad things can happen when you 'look the other way', BUT....''you do have to break eggs to make an omelet".  It's something that just has to be done, donchasee?  It's for the 'good' of us all.  Heard that before?

 

You will shortly hear an endless litany that this is necessary because "those people" just won't "do anything for themselves"....all "they" want to do is "take it away from somebody that works for a living".  Sound familiar? 

 

There are ample examples available that stereotype is sometimes, not always, true.  Those who happen to be "on welfare" are not immune from that flaw.  A justification used to inaccurately make that stereotype universally applicable. It absolutely applies to they who use other people to achieve their own ends.  In my book, the offense is far more grievous by the people who see fit to voice that as part of their rationale for exploitation.

 

We will once more hear, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he will be fed for a lifetime".  The probability is so high, it is very nearly a certainty.  The specific wording varies.  It's not in the new or old testament, though.  Not quite what Jesus had in mind.  No matter.  Sounds good and fits their agenda just right.

 

Education is the answer, of course.  Trouble is, it doesn't start in schools.  It cannot even be delegated to schools...not in the United States.  The culture that has built up is itself a major cause of the corruption we see.  It's hard to tell somebody not to do something they see all around them......."everybody else does it".  The "new normal"  You've heard that before too.

 

So....how is it WE go about fixing this before WE ALL go down the tube.  I think I have an inkling....it's just that it may be too late to do it.  Somebody's responsible, right?  Got any idea who it really is?

 

Always enjoy reading your posts, umbarch.  Insightful, thoughtful and well stated.  Thank you for your contributions....you make this forum better with each post.  Again, thank you!


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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You are right about the hypocrisy and outright cynicism exhibited  by extremists on the Right hell-bent on keeping us on a pathway to a plutocratic oligarchy.  Their supporters will seize on this as a fulfillment of campaign promises by not only 'the donald', but the Party in Power, the antithesis of the Party of Lincoln. 

 

Everyone here has already heard all we need to hear from the 'representatives' of that corrupt coalition here on this board.  The Evangelical brand of  'organized religion' sees nothing wrong with 'flaws' in the character of those bringing about conversion to the 'right way of looking at things'.  Saves Souls, you see?  Bad things can happen when you 'look the other way', BUT....''you do have to break eggs to make an omelet".  It's something that just has to be done, donchasee?  It's for the 'good' of us all.  Heard that before?

 

You will shortly hear an endless litany that this is necessary because "those people" just won't "do anything for themselves"....all "they" want to do is "take it away from somebody that works for a living".  Sound familiar? 

 

There are ample examples available that stereotype is sometimes, not always, true.  Those who happen to be "on welfare" are not immune from that flaw.  A justification used to inaccurately make that stereotype universally applicable. It absolutely applies to they who use other people to achieve their own ends.  In my book, the offense is far more grievous by the people who see fit to voice that as part of their rationale for exploitation.

 

We will once more hear, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he will be fed for a lifetime".  The probability is so high, it is very nearly a certainty.  The specific wording varies.  It's not in the new or old testament, though.  Not quite what Jesus had in mind.  No matter.  Sounds good and fits their agenda just right.

 

Education is the answer, of course.  Trouble is, it doesn't start in schools.  It cannot even be delegated to schools...not in the United States.  The culture that has built up is itself a major cause of the corruption we see.  It's hard to tell somebody not to do something they see all around them......."everybody else does it".  The "new normal"  You've heard that before too.

 

So....how is it WE go about fixing this before WE ALL go down the tube.  I think I have an inkling....it's just that it may be too late to do it.  Somebody's responsible, right?  Got any idea who it really is?

 

 

 

 

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Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

President Trump proposed a budget Monday that hits the poorest Americans the hardest, slashing billions of dollars in food stamps, health insurance and federal housing subsidies while pushing legislation to institute broad work requirements for families receiving housing vouchers, expanding on moves by some states to require recipients of Medicaid and food stamps to work.

 

The Trump budget proposal would gut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as food stamps, by $17.2 billion in 2019 — equivalent to 22 percent of the program’s total cost last year. It calls for cuts of more than $213.5 billion over the next decade, a reduction of nearly 30 percent, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

 

In addition, Trump is proposing a full-scale redesign of SNAP, which provides an average of $125 per month to 42.2 million Americans. For the last 40 years, the program has allowed beneficiaries to use SNAP benefits at grocery stores as if they were cash. Under the budget proposal, the  Department of Agriculture would use a portion of those benefits to buy and deliver a package of U.S.-grown commodities to SNAP households that receive $90 or more in assistance each month, using the government’s buying power to obtain common foods at lower costs.

 

“This budget proposes taking away food assistance from millions of low-income Americans — and on the heels of a tax cut that favored the wealthy and corporations," said Stacy Dean, president for food assistance policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "It doesn’t reflect the right values.”

 

The proposal repeats several cost-cutting measures from last year, including new restrictions on eligibility and stricter requirements around the use of work-requirement waivers, which allow states with high unemployment rates to extend benefits to adults who are out of work for longer than three months.

 

Congress has final say over spending — but Monday's budget proposal is seen as an important sign of Trump's priorities.

 

The budget proposal would also "reform" programs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development "to encourage work and self-sufficiency," the document said.

 

Trump's proposed budget for the 2019 fiscal year includes a 14 percent cut to HUD, amounting to $6.8 billion below the agency’s current $48 billion spending, an even deeper cut than his previous year's proposal which had been the most dramatic cut to HUD since President Ronald Reagan slashed the agency’s funding in the early 1980s.

 

more at:  Trump’s budget hits poor Americans the hardest

 

Is anyone surprised at this elitist budget proposed by trump? Give bigger tax cuts to the rich, cut benefits to the poor.....REAL Christian values.......not the evangelicals will say what a great president we have because he's been forgiven for all his prior transgressions........


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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