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Can we "walk away from" the pettiness and understand that in negotiations sometimes "walking away is required for a successful, long-term outcome. Consider Reagan at Reykjavik.


The two don't compare.

 

The thing is, it was never "negotiations" to trump ............ it was just another show .......... seems most everything is to him, most especially his speeches to his moronic base.


The point was not anyone's ability to read minds or the childish, offensive "moronic base". It was the need for "walk away" as part of the total negotiation package.


The POINT is lil donny did NOTHING to prepare for this meeting, so there was no real basis for "negotiation" - he just felt the need to get some more screen time trying to look presidential and coming away looking entirely ToadPOTUSish.

 

It was all to distract from the Disaster that is Trump - the RECORD HIGH for our trade deficit, the farmers going bankrupt from his trade war, and the fact his total mismanagement and stupidity QUADRUPLED the deficit from President Obama's last budget.

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Trump has long used only two methods of negotiating:

 

1. Bullying to get his way

 

 Or like the kid in the schoolyard who can't play or can't play fair...

 

2. He picks up his ball, dramatically stomps off the court, and goes home      

 

Neither tactic demonstrates effective negotiating skills, but maybe in Trump World these have been the methods of operandi that have workd for him--NOT SO MUCH on the grand world stage!


Does that mean you do or do not think that a negotiator must be willing to "walk" if the situation warrants it?


In this case, the negotiator put himself, and our country, into a position where his own national security team was scared he would MAKE a deal.  Remember when one side of a negotiation is a moron, no deal is a win.  Also remember, this would not have happened under Obama. 


What wouldn't have happened under Obama - walking when only a bad deal is offered? Possibly you are right - think of Iran.

 

But the bottom line - are there not instances when just walking is the proper decision in negotiations?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@LydiaN586309 wrote:

Trump has long used only two methods of negotiating:

 

1. Bullying to get his way

 

 Or like the kid in the schoolyard who can't play or can't play fair...

 

2. He picks up his ball, dramatically stomps off the court, and goes home      

 

Neither tactic demonstrates effective negotiating skills, but maybe in Trump World these have been the methods of operandi that have workd for him--NOT SO MUCH on the grand world stage!


Does that mean you do or do not think that a negotiator must be willing to "walk" if the situation warrants it?


In this case, the negotiator put himself, and our country, into a position where his own national security team was scared he would MAKE a deal.  Remember when one side of a negotiation is a moron, no deal is a win.  Also remember, this would not have happened under Obama. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@LydiaN586309 wrote:

Trump has long used only two methods of negotiating:

 

1. Bullying to get his way

 

 Or like the kid in the schoolyard who can't play or can't play fair...

 

2. He picks up his ball, dramatically stomps off the court, and goes home      

 

Neither tactic demonstrates effective negotiating skills, but maybe in Trump World these have been the methods of operandi that have workd for him--NOT SO MUCH on the grand world stage!


Does that mean you do or do not think that a negotiator must be willing to "walk" if the situation warrants it?


tRump is a bully and coward who has a lifelong habit of running away from his failures - lying about them - blaming someone else - and later claiming that his failures - due to his marginal competence - could never have been solved/fixed by anyone...

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@LydiaN586309 wrote:

Trump has long used only two methods of negotiating:

 

1. Bullying to get his way

 

 Or like the kid in the schoolyard who can't play or can't play fair...

 

2. He picks up his ball, dramatically stomps off the court, and goes home      

 

Neither tactic demonstrates effective negotiating skills, but maybe in Trump World these have been the methods of operandi that have workd for him--NOT SO MUCH on the grand world stage!


Does that mean you do or do not think that a negotiator must be willing to "walk" if the situation warrants it?

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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The man said, "Sometimes you have to walk". That is a valid statement regarding negotiations. 

 

Now it may be that Billy Bob is not "hands on", President Trump is.


"Hands on"?  Yes, his fingerprints were all over this fiasco.


And whose fingerprints are all over the Korean war technically going on for well over a half century. Might a new approach not be called for?


I have never considered incompetence to be a "new approach".  I suppose it is though.


Agreed - and not a factor in this discussion.

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We are all just so surprised rk9152 , because President Trump knows more than all our Generals combined ? The difference is our Generals don't see Kim as a "Great Leader" , who can be taken for his word ???

Hey what do our Generals know about Real Estate anyways ???

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Trump has long used only two methods of negotiating:

 

1. Bullying to get his way

 

 Or like the kid in the schoolyard who can't play or can't play fair...

 

2. He picks up his ball, dramatically stomps off the court, and goes home      

 

Neither tactic demonstrates effective negotiating skills, but maybe in Trump World these have been the methods of operandi that have workd for him--NOT SO MUCH on the grand world stage!

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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The man said, "Sometimes you have to walk". That is a valid statement regarding negotiations. 

 

Now it may be that Billy Bob is not "hands on", President Trump is.


"Hands on"?  Yes, his fingerprints were all over this fiasco.


And whose fingerprints are all over the Korean war technically going on for well over a half century. Might a new approach not be called for?


I have never considered incompetence to be a "new approach".  I suppose it is though.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

The man said, "Sometimes you have to walk". That is a valid statement regarding negotiations. 

 

Now it may be that Billy Bob is not "hands on", President Trump is.


"Hands on"?  Yes, his fingerprints were all over this fiasco.


And whose fingerprints are all over the Korean war technically going on for well over a half century. Might a new approach not be called for?

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