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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Tex - you just repeated what John said without mentioning the part where the folks who TRIED to follow the law were told to go away.

 

Sessions placed 11 adults in detention and stole their children because a non-violent MISDEMEANOR had been committed, and the Department of Justice has nothing better to do then persecute non-violent misdemeanors committed by poor people who are not white (and illegal aliens).

 

Session also petitioned the Court to officially change his name to Jim Crow. Request was granted as Session's behavior made denying the motion Moot.


Criminals who get put in jail (who are citizens) get their kids taken also. Maybe the left thinks all criminals should be left alone to prey on other folks.

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Tex - you just repeated what John said without mentioning the part where the folks who TRIED to follow the law were told to go away.

 

Sessions placed 11 adults in detention and stole their children because a non-violent MISDEMEANOR had been committed, and the Department of Justice has nothing better to do then persecute non-violent misdemeanors committed by poor people who are not white.

 

Session also petitioned the Court to officially change his name to Jim Crow. Request was granted as Session's behavior made denying the motion Moot.

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Still living in never never land. They were at a border crossing yesterday where it happened, and we have seen reports from a lot of news media. It happens. The caravan you spoke of came to  border crossing south of SD and notified our people of what they were going to do. The US border people told them they were backed up and it would take some time.


Gail's links to the Washington Post reads as follows:

 

 "Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced Monday that the Justice Department has filed criminal charges against 11 suspected members of the caravan for illegally entering the country, including one who has been deported previously, according to a statement. While the main caravan group is waiting to enter through legal channels at the port of entry, the statement said these migrants got picked up crossing into the country illegally elsewhere along the border."

 

Apparently the rest of the caravan went through the legal process.

 

 


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@Panjandrum - Not to try and split hairs or anything, but I think lil' Stevie Miller is much closer to Reinhart Heidrick in thought word and deed and is more likely a psychopath - that would better explain his closeness with Der Trumper, IMHO of course - he could well be a sociopathic Himmler.

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Germany

Is this about Germany and Hitler, or is it about immigration here in the United States?  You keep attempting to make it about Germany and Hitler.  Very much off-topic.


Yes. Now the far right enablers want to not make it about the path to Dictatorship just like the enablers in Germany did. No difference. The enablers have one goal have Trump as Dictator and try and hide it until it is to late, just like the enablers were able to do in Germany. Lets hope the thinking people in the US are the smart ones this time, and show the enablers how stupid they are for trying this.

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@GailL1 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

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@rk9152 wrote:

The situation is quite clear but gets complicated by posters insisting on using irrational emotionalism to hide logic. Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply


Actually, it is when they present themselves to CBP and ask for asylum. The popular technique has been to tell everyone they are taking the children for a bath and the child never comes back. 


rk9152 is correct - asking for asylum has to take place at an authorized border crossing.  Trying to come in at some other location puts suspicion on whomever it is because this is how child smugglers come in.  It is also very dangerous to get entry this way - the very foundation of our immigration laws is to have legally defined access places where everybody is checked and asked for what purpose they arrive.  

 

If they want to ask for asylum and the family kept together, all they have to do is present themselves at an authorized border crossing for the process to begin.  By crossing at an illegal point, there are other steps that have to be completed because the action is suspicious.


Once again you are incorrect. They are separating them at authorized border crossings when they present themselves. This was the new rules put in by the Trump JD. You need to learn this subject also.


No they are not and I have posted links from the Washingpost describing the difference in where they cross into the US.  Here it is again -

WP 04/30/2018 - After a day at the border, first eight members of migrant caravan taken into U.S. cu...

 

Here you have a caravan of asylum seekers - those that remained with the caravan and entered at the legal port of entry - began the process.

 

Those that left the caravan and attempted entry illegally at some other place were treated differently depending upon their situation - some were criminals.

 

. . . . While the main caravan group is waiting to enter through legal channels at the port of entry, the statement said these migrants got picked up crossing into the country illegally elsewhere along the border.

 

. . . . . Alex Mensing, one of the caravan coordinators, said he did not know whether the people charged had been part of the caravan. In legal workshops, the migrants have been told that “crossing anywhere other than a port of entry is a crime that’s prosecutable, and we never encourage anyone to do that,” he said.

 

Alex Mensing, is a US collaborators who works for Pueblo Sin Fronteras,

 

NBC News - Who is Pueblo Sin Fronteras - for over 15 years has led migrants to the U.S. via caravans to help them to seek asylum in other countries.

. . . . The group's volunteers help the migrants stay together to protect themselves from danger along the way, including from criminals and natural elements, but also to move past law enforcement officials.

 

Why not seek asylum in Mexico or some other closer country?  Now we have organizations of these huge caravans with people taught how to legally enter the US correctly for asylum seeking.

 

Why not fix their problems with gangs and crime? 

Why not just go ahead and apply as a refugee and not have to risk the geographical crossing all together?

 

People, something does have to be done about this - we need immigration reform NOW -

 

 


Still living in never never land. They were at a border crossing yesterday where it happened, and we have seen reports from a lot of news media. It happens. The caravan you spoke of came to  border crossing south of SD and notified our people of what they were going to do. The US border people told them they were backed up and it would take some time. The caravan people camped on the Mexican side of the border until they were processed. It took I think 2 days. Your links do not open. Looks like you need to spend some time learning how to post links. I see Laura Bush came out today and said stop doing it. The First Lady said the same think over the weekend. Even Trump said it is not right to do it, but he blamed the Dems (Not true), but Donald does lie all the time. Once again you do not know the subject just like all far right enablers.

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This is not something the Republicans have created all by themselves - It is a culmination of Immigration policies going all the way back to President Clinton -

 

Read the Huffington Post article that I keep linking on the policies of the Obama Administration.  That misdemeanor was elevated by President Obama - 

 

Each of these Presidents, including the current one, were/are just trying to stop a problem - a problem that has been with us for a very long time.

 

The separation of these kids from the parents who crossed into the country at an illegal location is just another way of sending a message to STOP CROSSING at illegal points. 

This is the same message President Obama was sending when he made this illegal crossing into a higher crime in his policy.

 

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 The ones that came in the boats yes they were put in detention camps but they didn't suffered separations of their children at that time.

 


I don't recall Cubans being put in 'detention camps' as such, but being housed while they were processed or assisted in finding relatives or sponsors to assisting them in finding homes, jobs, etc.

 

If they had relatives here they were only there for a few days.

 

Their situation was different from these who asked for asylum at the border or those who entered the country illegally first.  I don't believe any conservative has a problem with those who asked for asylum at the point of entry.

 

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Illegally crossing the US border is a MISDEMEANOR.

 

Der Trumper is ripping apart immigrant families for something that normally results in no jail time and no fine.

 

But his Republican base is NOT "normal" - they are hate-filled bigots who cannot admit their problems are not caused by someone easy for them to hate - like immigrants - instead of the real cause of their problem - the people who stopped sharing the profits of the business with their workers - rich Republicans.


President Obama made it a deportable crime. 

Huffington Post 04/25/2017 - Bill Clinton And Barack Obama Laid The Groundwork For Trump’s Immigrati...

 

Once criminalized, they then fell into a separate-and-unequal immigration enforcement system in which due process was eliminated and deportation, the ultimate draconian penalty, could be implemented regardless of the seriousness of the “crime.”  Worse yet, the ever harsher over-policing of communities of color and the expansion of mass incarceration produced, Aja and Marchevsky point out, “a reservoir of immigrants with criminal records, creating an endless chain of detentions and deportations.”

 

Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow, has made strikingly clear, all of this ― the redefinition of minor crimes as felonies.

 

. . . . there was another new catch-22 category as well: so-called immigration crimes. Those with a record of illegal re-entry and those who engaged in what was termed “immigration fraud” were automatically re-categorized as “criminals” under President Obama’s priority enforcement policy.  “Illegal reentry” is, in fact, the most curious of crimes, since it distinguishes between those who succeed in entering the country without inspection on their first try and those who are caught and only succeed on a subsequent try. 

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@CS402050 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply

Repuiblicans would like people to believe that, but its another lie.

Wrong again.  The example above is FACT.


And here is an article to substantiate the FACT -

WP 04/30/2018 - After a day at the border, first eight members of migrant caravan taken into U.S. cu...

 

. . . . Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced Monday that the Justice Department has filed criminal charges against 11 suspected members of the caravan for illegally entering the country, including one who has been deported previously, according to a statement. While the main caravan group is waiting to enter through legal channels at the port of entry, the statement said these migrants got picked up crossing into the country illegally elsewhere along the border.

 

. . . . Alex Mensing, one of the caravan coordinators, said he did not know whether the people charged had been part of the caravan. In legal workshops, the migrants have been told that “crossing anywhere other than a port of entry is a crime that’s prosecutable, and we never encourage anyone to do that,” he said. 

 

The solution is simple - ENTER AT A LEGAL POINT OF ENTRY and begin the process for asylum seeking.


Enterning the US without proper approvals is a MISDEMEANOR.

 

There is no legal precedence for locking up those who commit non-violent MISDEMEANORS, but that's what Der Trumper ordered his border gards to do to the parents.

 

It is illegal to detain children along with detained criminals, so the children MUST be torn from their mother's arms and handed to (whoever) to fulfil Der Trumpers promise to "defend the border".

 

If he didn't WANT to literally rip apart immigrant families seeking asylum from war and civil unrest, all the gutless draft-dodging preppytwit needs to do is STOP LOCKING UP THE PARENTS, which is how the situation was kept from becoming an international human rights DISGRACE in all the years before Der Trumper.

 

So, what does Der Trumper do with those who show up at the border and request asylum? He PREVENTS THEM FROM SETTING FOOT ON US SOIL SO THEY CANNOT APPLY FOR ASYLUM!!

 

So this is the humanitarian disgrace the Republican Party has created: Come to the Border peacefully and get turned away without being able to REQUEST asylum or step over the border peacefully be locked up in detention camps after your children are ripped from your arms and given to (whoever) and not be told where they are or who they're with.

 

Rant all you want about "refugees committing crimes" Republicans. NOBODY outside the festering soulless confines of your party will agree it is necessary to lock people up for a PEACEFUL Misdemeanor, and use that as an excuse to tear apart their families.

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