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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Illegally crossing the US border is a MISDEMEANOR.

 

Der Trumper is ripping apart immigrant families for something that normally results in no jail time and no fine.

 

But his Republican base is NOT "normal" - they are hate-filled bigots who cannot admit their problems are not caused by someone easy for them to hate - like immigrants - instead of the real cause of their problem - the people who stopped sharing the profits of the business with their workers - rich Republicans.


You do not like those "rich Republicans" who want the low wage workers and you don't like President Trump who is stopping them from coming in - do you like anything?

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   The ignoblers are ignoring the very fact that Jeff Sessions made everyone who walked across the border a criminal.    That undermines the ignoblers excuses.   Are they too lame to comprehend that or are they just trolling.   I'm putting my nickel bet on the latter.   

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@williamb39198 wrote:

How does this “policy” support any compassion for other human beings? Do we lock up our borders and ignore the rest of the world?

And what percentage of immigrants are “bad”?

 


Are you proposing a borderless situation? If not there will have to be rules.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply

Repuiblicans would like people to believe that, but its another lie. Before Trump, when a FAMILY was discovered to have entered the country illegally, and they requested political asylum, the entire family was released until a hearing could be held to rule on their asylum request.

 

What is the "lie"? How things go depend on whether the person is at a legal entry point or sneaking in illegally. Is that a "lie"? Or do you just like typing "lie"?

 

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@Panjandrom wrote:

 

 

 

I think of this creepy little sociopath as Trump's Heinrich Himmler.


Of course you do. Like most of the radical left, you are obsessed with Nazi Germany. You should really dial it back a bit. This madness has at least one poster quivering and quaking in fear.

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A perfect example of the sort of emotionalism  i referred to that only clouds the issue. And, in this case, the poster also threw in a large assortment of off topic nonsense further clouding the issue under discussion. How Mueller relates to separating families is a true mystery.


Yes  as a woman and a mother, you bet there is a lot of emotionalism in my words and it is surprising to me that a man that knows a lot about the Holocaust cannot see and cannot condemn  what is happening to the children of those women.  I am very sorry for you. I really am.

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@rker321 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

The situation is quite clear but gets complicated by posters insisting on using irrational emotionalism to hide logic. Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply


Poor poor Rk  as usual blinded by the cult of the Trump Followers, we really need to understand that when Trump stated that if he killed anyone on 

5th Avenue they would still vote for him is the biggest truth that he has ever said.
We need to understand what is happening in this country today.
There is the need to desensitize the citizens of the USA  of any of  what is happening in this country today.
We need to take very seriously. the fact that no matter what Mueller finds in his investigation. there will be Republicans what will say "Fake News" and will refuse to believe whatever Mueller finds.
We are seeing the biggest danger that this country has ever seen. and we need to stop seeing this as a Republican or a Democrat situation.
Yes, the Republicans in Congress have become paralyzed by the notion that they may loose their jobs if the stand against thie President. that  is how cults operate. so stop seeing this as a Party issue. 
Start by fighting for the country that the US has always been.  or your Democracy will not be worth a darn.


A perfect example of the sort of emotionalism  i referred to that only clouds the issue. And, in this case, the poster also threw in a large assortment of off topic nonsense further clouding the issue under discussion. How Mueller relates to separating families is a true mystery.

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trump stoops to yet another low - - - - - -  holding children hostage in tents to get Congress to fund a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

The situation is quite clear but gets complicated by posters insisting on using irrational emotionalism to hide logic. Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply


Actually, it is when they present themselves to CBP and ask for asylum. The popular technique has been to tell everyone they are taking the children for a bath and the child never comes back. 


You are overlooking the initial contact with American officials. There is a different set of rules between proper entry points and "climbing the wall" or "swimming the river".

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Sessions placed 11 adults in detention and stole their children because a non-violent MISDEMEANOR had been committed, and the Department of Justice has nothing better to do then persecute non-violent misdemeanors committed by poor people who are not white.

 

 


It was President Obama that changed this non-violent  misdemeanor, as you call it, into an immigration crime.  That policy is still active.

 

Huffington Post - Bill Clinton And Barack Obama Laid The Groundwork For Trump’s Immigration Policies...

 

Those with a record of illegal re-entry and those who engaged in what was termed “immigration fraud” were automatically re-categorized as “criminals” under President Obama’s priority enforcement policy.  “Illegal reentry” is, in fact, the most curious of crimes, since it distinguishes between those who succeed in entering the country without inspection on their first try and those who are caught and only succeed on a subsequent try.  

 

. . . . What earned President Obama the moniker of “deporter-in-chief,” however, was his policy towards border enforcement, since it was there that the number of deportees rose most sharply.  This was in part because he prioritized “recent border crossers” for deportation; everyone, that is, who had crossed without authorization, which essentially meant everyone apprehended in the border region, was now criminalized.  Under previous administrations, most of those caught there had been granted what was called “voluntary departure.”  In other words, they were returned to the Mexican side of the border without legal sanction.  During the Clinton and Bush administrations, more than a million people a year were returned to Mexico in this manner without being transformed into criminals and so were not included in the usual deportation figures.

 

read more at the link -

 

I didn't see where these (11) immigration criminals had any children.

 


Two peas in a pod. I agree with Chasky 53 post. It is good to see tonight on TV all the decent people standing up for our moral values and wanting to end this outrage now. Here are a few more facts.

A. Gail you keep talking about if they cross at legal points, and that they have not and only those doing that had their children taken.  Well there were children taken at the legal points as I told you. Now we know why a lot of the people entering did not use the legal crossing spots. They have now confirmed in Texas there were boarder patrol people at legal crossing points telling the people arriving that they could not cross there as the US was full. They had to find another spot to cross. There were our BP on a bridge to the US just before the crossing line making sure none could get through. We have reporters, and one US Senator who saw this. If this happened in Texas it happened everywhere, and in time we will find out where else.

B. What is going on now is 100% due to Trump not any other President. There were no law changes and we did not have this. We have this because Trump wants it. In March 2017 Kelly who was head of Homeland Security laid out the plan they were working on. They have him on TV doing that. They have Sessions in April announcing the zero policy and his memo, plus him on TV telling us about the plan. Tonight on FOX Sessions would not admit he said that but TV does not lie. The host Laura pressed him and he gave a long nothing answer and at the end in a back hand way did say he said it, and issued the memo.

C. We know that one women was sent back to the country she came from, and her child is still being held in the US. Our border people do not know where the child is.

D. There is no plan to keep track of the children and parents so they can be placed together again. This mess crosses 2 or 3 Fed. Agencies and they do not have one system. Each has it own system.

E. We do not know where the girls or young children are. They did find one girls camp this evening. No one in Govt. will say why only boys have been shown.

F. We know there are not enough trained staff for the children in the places we know about The Medical Groups than specialize in Children tell us what is happening is inhumane, and can hurt the kids for the rest of their lives. We heard tapes of the children crying, and pleading for help in a center, and we heard at least one border patrol person making fun of them.

 

Once again there were comparison with what happened in Germany as children were separated from their parents as they entered their camps. We heard mental health people explain why Trump is doing this. Trump said that this will be a deterrent to keep people from coming to the US, and that sounds tough. Trump want to be tough, and thinks he would be a failure if he was compassionate like other Presidents. His mental problems are playing in to this. Trump is blaming the Dems which is a lie, but that fits into this mental problem also.

 

The saddest thing of all is watching his enablers try and defend his policy on this which is as we have been told by the experts Child Abuse. The most dangerous group of people in the US today are the Trump enablers. They even support his child abuse. Make no mistake there will be a lot more hurt  and even death on these kids if this is not ended now

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