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@BigLib wrote:

 

https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Texas-border-patrol-bath-separate-children-ICE-CBP...

 

 


I've already replied about this regarding that proper procedure is to request asylum at the point of entry.  And of course doesn't defense attorneys attempt to twist things to suit the people they are defending?  Just as your post is slanted to serve your partisan purpose?

 

 

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@Panjandrom wrote:

TxGrandpa2:  Can you back this up with facts and sources?  Or is this opinion?

 

 

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/


Your reply goes along with what I have already posted.  When there if a huge number seeing asylum there is a backlog.  The government can't be expected to fairly process hundreds in one day.  And you note your reference states that these asylum seekers give up and enter the country illegally.  They are the ones who are detained with families separated.  It is their own doing for not following proper procedures.

 

Again if they are processed at the point of entry, the families are not separated.

 

This entire topic has been sensationalized by the media and politicized by the left.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

The situation is quite clear but gets complicated by posters insisting on using irrational emotionalism to hide logic. Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply


Actually, it is when they present themselves to CBP and ask for asylum. The popular technique has been to tell everyone they are taking the children for a bath and the child never comes back. 


rk9152 is correct - asking for asylum has to take place at an authorized border crossing.  Trying to come in at some other location puts suspicion on whomever it is because this is how child smugglers come in.  It is also very dangerous to get entry this way - the very foundation of our immigration laws is to have legally defined access places where everybody is checked and asked for what purpose they arrive.  

 

If they want to ask for asylum and the family kept together, all they have to do is present themselves at an authorized border crossing for the process to begin.  By crossing at an illegal point, there are other steps that have to be completed because the action is suspicious.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@john258 wrote:


Yes it is fact. It is happening and if you watch TV you will see it first hand. There was a family on that had been separated some time ago, and were released except one child a girl. The family is living in Chicago now, but the child is still being held, and they have not been able to get her released. They do get phone calls from her.


It would be more believable if you furnished a link to source that comment.  Otherwise it is just an unverified anecdote. 

 

Additionally, you are obsessed about comparing the administration to Hitler's rise to power.  He did so in the period after the First World War when Germany was attempting to establish a stable representative government, exacerbated with a depression.

 

So one has to believe that your posts are of a mostly partisan nature.


Don't you ever get tired of crow?

 

" "[Azalea] Aleman-Bendiks, the public defender, said several of her clients have told her their children were taken from them by Border Patrol agents who said they were going to give them a bath," the report read. "As the hours passed, it dawned on the mothers the kids were not coming back." "

 

https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Texas-border-patrol-bath-separate-children-ICE-CBP...

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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TxGrandpa2:  Can you back this up with facts and sources?  Or is this opinion?

 

 

 

 

TM: Even if they crossed at a legal entry point?

 

AC: Very few people come to the bridge. Border Patrol is saying the bridge is closed. When I was last out in McAllen, people were stacked on the bridge, sleeping there for three, four, ten nights. They’ve now cleared those individuals from sleeping on the bridge, but there are hundreds of accounts of asylum seekers, when they go to the bridge, who are told, “I’m sorry, we’re full today. We can’t process your case.” So the families go illegally on a raft—I don’t want to say illegally; they cross without a visa on a raft. Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know they’re going to ask for asylum. And under this government theory—you know, in the past, we’ve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you.

 

TM: So if you cross any other way besides the bridge, we’re prosecuting you. But . . . you can’t cross the bridge.

 

AC: That’s right. I’ve talked to tons of people. There are organizations like Al Otro Lado that document border turn-backs. And there’s an effort to accompany asylum seekers so that Customs and Border Patrol can’t say, “We’re closed.” Everybody we’ve talked to who’s been prosecuted or separated has crossed the river without a visa.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

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alferdpacker: 

Stephen Miller has bragged that separating families is his idea...

 

He's the despicable hate-filled creep that has to hire human females in order to get them to spend any amount of time with him...

 

 

I think of this creepy little sociopath as Trump's Heinrich Himmler.

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@rker321 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

The situation is quite clear but gets complicated by posters insisting on using irrational emotionalism to hide logic. Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply


Poor poor Rk  as usual blinded by the cult of the Trump Followers, we really need to understand that when Trump stated that if he killed anyone on 

5th Avenue they would still vote for him is the biggest truth that he has ever said.


Your post has nothing to do with what RK posted.  It is true that if a person presents themself at a border station with a child and requesting asylum the family wouldn't be separated.  Its true that if there is a large number they would have to wait a turn, but they wouldn't be detained for an interview.

 

The problem here is that comments take on a partisan nature where factual information is lost in the adverse rhetoric.

 

"This misreporting by Members, press & advocacy groups must stop. It is irresponsible and unproductive. As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry."

— Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen (@SecNielsen) June 17, 2018

"You are not breaking the law by seeking asylum at a port of entry," she continued. "For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous Administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law."

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392707-dhs-chief-defends-migrant-policies-we-do-not-have-...

 

 

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Yes it is fact. It is happening and if you watch TV you will see it first hand. There was a family on that had been separated some time ago, and were released except one child a girl. The family is living in Chicago now, but the child is still being held, and they have not been able to get her released. They do get phone calls from her.


It would be more believable if you furnished a link to source that comment.  Otherwise it is just an unverified anecdote. 

 

Additionally, you are obsessed about comparing the administration to Hitler's rise to power.  He did so in the period after the First World War when Germany was attempting to establish a stable representative government, exacerbated with a depression.

 

So one has to believe that your posts are of a mostly partisan nature.

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@rk9152 wrote:

The situation is quite clear but gets complicated by posters insisting on using irrational emotionalism to hide logic. Example - if a person comes to a border crossing with  child asking for asylum, they are not separated. But if, instead, they cross illegally, possibly employing a  "coyote" to smuggle them in, different rules apply


Poor poor Rk  as usual blinded by the cult of the Trump Followers, we really need to understand that when Trump stated that if he killed anyone on 

5th Avenue they would still vote for him is the biggest truth that he has ever said.
We need to understand what is happening in this country today.
There is the need to desensitize the citizens of the USA  of any of  what is happening in this country today.
We need to take very seriously. the fact that no matter what Mueller finds in his investigation. there will be Republicans what will say "Fake News" and will refuse to believe whatever Mueller finds.
We are seeing the biggest danger that this country has ever seen. and we need to stop seeing this as a Republican or a Democrat situation.
Yes, the Republicans in Congress have become paralyzed by the notion that they may loose their jobs if the stand against thie President. that  is how cults operate. so stop seeing this as a Party issue. 
Start by fighting for the country that the US has always been.  or your Democracy will not be worth a darn.

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@Richva

Always good to know that we have posters that reflect the heart and soul of the trump administration. Confuse facts, and show no compassion towards those whose life has taken a turn that they feel, and have had their lives threatened. 

 

Richva, keep reeling the truth my friend. Some of us are paying attention!

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