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Relax - all he is doing or trying to do  is a moratorium on the employee part from 08/20 - 12/2020.

Employers get no moratorium.

If they fund this (employee ) part from the General Funds (like President Obama

did during the Recession)- the collections won't skip a beat.

It is the largest revenue source

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Payroll taxes are not the only revenue stream to fund Social Security - there is interest from those Special Treasuries, there is money from those who pay taxes on their benefits and that all goes to the Trust Fund.

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It will be interesting to see how Trump screws this up. I have faith he will. Everything he touches fails. 

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TRUMP IS TRYING TO KILL SOCIAL SECURITY ! 

 

Trump just cut out the payroll tax.  The payroll tax is the sole revenue stream that funds Social Security and Medicare. Without a pay roll tax THERE IS NO MORE FUNDING OF SOCIAL SECURITY or MEDICARE.

 

Even worse, he stated that if re-elected, he will cut the payroll tax PERMANENTLY.

That means no more Social Security and no more Medicare if Trump is re-elected.

 

Is that what AARP Members want?

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@alotofgrey wrote:

. . . .  But for that we would look like the other developed countries that have that frigging virus under control.


Which countries?

We are the leader in the world for population numbers.

The measure, which epidemiologists call the "case fatality ratio," calculates the number of people with COVID-19 who eventually die from the disease.

NPR 08/05/2020 - The Coronavirus Crisis Charts: How The U.S. Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — A... 

 

Screenshot_2020-08-08 Charts How The U S Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count.png

 

 

. . . . it is difficult to compare death rates among countries. Neither per capita death rate nor case fatality ratio "fully reflect the effectiveness of a country's response," said Nilanjan Chatterjee, a professor of biostatistics at Johns Hopkins University.

 

But in terms of case fatality ratio, the U.S. is doing significantly better than many other countries. The country's case fatality ratio is 3.3%, meaning that for every 100 people with COVID-19, only about three die.

 

Screenshot_2020-08-08 Charts How The U S Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count(1).png

 

 

 

You can find a whole lot more here; more countries (20) -  it is updated daily

John Hopkins - Coronavirus Resource Center: Mortality Analyses 

Pretty much ALL countries are having a hard time with it.

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Another news report on this: 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-sign-executive-order-coronavirus-economic-relief-n12...

 

This doesn't mean that any of this will actually happen.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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Trump's job is to "implement" what Congress decides. Period. When Congress decides this budget issue they will tell him what to do. Until then someone should tell him to shut his face.

 

We are not back economically because of his gross incompetence in managing our federal response to our Covid problem. But for that we would look like the other developed countries that have that frigging virus under control.

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The support for this thread is from FOX News and lacks one thing. TRUTH. Do not take anything in the article as fact. I covered the Payroll tax bribe in another thread go read it. Yes it is a bribe offer from Trump.

Now lets do the $400.00 per week unemployment plan.

1. First it is not $400.00 per week it is $300.00 per week as that is what Trump plan would have the Feds pay. The other $100.00 comes from the State.  The States heard about this today and can reject now having to put State money into to it. Trump even hinted a State could add more if it wanted.

2. This is a National Problem and the Feds do not have to have a balanced budget every year and the reason for that is the Feds can work the economy. Spend when it is bad. Collect when it is good. In the long run it should balance out. Right now the Feds should spend to help the economy as we are in a recession.

3. States for the most part have to have a balanced budget every year. There will not be a State able to do that and that is why we have  seen some Fed aid to States, and a lot more needed. Trump wants to give them none. Now how does a State take on this extra expense when they can not meet current expenses.

4. Trump does not say what happens if a State will not add the extra $100.00. Will there be nothing for people in those states or will the Feds still put in their $300.00. Will some type of deal be reached with certain States to give them more money to offset other expenses so they can put the $100.00 in. The way Trump works: You do something for me and I do something for you.  I have a feeling this will happen in States with Rep Gov. loyal to Trump. In other words a bribe just like he plans with the Payroll tax deferment.

5. Does Trump even have the power to do this? We could have a court case.

 

NOW WHAT SHOULD CONCERN ALL IS TRUMP THROWING AWAY CONGRESS AND JUST ISSUING THE RULES. This country is or was a Democracy with 3 branches of Govt. We now have one run by Dictator Trump and that should be the overriding issue for all. If Trump wins in Nov. he will be full Dictator (just like Hitler) and we will in law have just one branch of govt. The Dear Leader. If that is what you want sit by and support this. If you believe like the founders of the USA in Democracy then you have to oppose Dictator Trump. There is no middle ground and Trump threw the gauntlet down today to every American. Choose a side. Keep in mind this country was formed by breaking away from a type of government (King) that Trump (dictatorship) now wants to reimpose.

 

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This presentation was an absolute joke. 
trump destroys then plays like he is the great fixer. Who he really hurt today was trump repubs...which is hilarious...they will pay big time. 
And it’s actually 300, not 400. 
trump helped people? That is always in question, and obvious that he doesn’t. 
He just slapped people in need in the face, by broadcasting from his snobby, uppity golf resort. 

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Trump orders $400-per-week unemployment payments amid COVID crisis, hits Dems for stonewalling Trump takes action after congressional stalemate

President Trump signed four executive actions Saturday aimed at delivering relief to Americans struggling with the economic fallout of the coronavirus pandemic while accusing Democrats of stonewalling greater aid efforts.

 

Trump announced a $400-per-week supplemental unemployment payment to out-of-work Americans -- short of the $600 weekly benefit that expired at the end of July. He unveiled an extension of student loan relief and protections from evictions for renters and homeowners.

Trump also signed a payroll tax holiday through the end of the year for Americans earning less than $100,000, while promising more relief if he wins a second term.

 

WHAT'S IN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S FOUR CORONAVIRUS RELIEF EXECUTIVE ORDERS?

 

The president signed the executive actions from his Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., as club members cheered him on. He blamed Democrats for the coronavirus stalemate in Congress and said he'd take matters into his own hands.

 

 

US President Donald Trump signs executive orders extending coronavirus economic relief, during a news conference in Bedminster, New Jersey, on Aug. 8. 

 

"Democrats are obstructing all of it," Trump said. "Therefore, I'm taking executive action ... and we're going to save American jobs and provide relief to the American workers."

 

For the new $400-per-week benefit, states would be on the hook for funding 25 percent for the millions of jobless Americans, while the federal government would pick up 75 percent of the benefit, Trump said. Asked when the jobless would see the money, Trump said it would be “rapidly distributed.”

 

TRUMP SAYS CORONAVIRUS RELIEF EXECUTIVE ORDER COULD COME BY THE END OF THE WEEK 'IF DEMOCRATS CONTIN...

 

The $400 boost is more than what many congressional Republicans wanted. Some opposed any extension of the federal aid, while others backed a boost no greater than $200 per week. Meanwhile, Democrats had been fighting for the full $600-per-week extension, which is on top of state unemployment benefits.

 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., dismissed Trump's “meager” actions and slammed the president for signing them from his Bedminster club.

 

“Today’s meager announcements by the president show President Trump still does not comprehend the seriousness or the urgency of the health and economic crises facing working families," Pelosi and Schumer said in a joint statement Saturday. "We’re disappointed that instead of putting in the work to solve Americans’ problems, the President instead chose to stay on his luxury golf course to announce unworkable, weak and narrow policy announcements to slash the unemployment benefits that millions desperately need and endanger seniors’ Social Security and Medicare."

 

Trump has long wanted a holiday on payroll taxes, which help fund Social Security and Medicare. But congressional Republicans have not fought for the provision because of how much the suspension on tax collection could drive up an already staggering debt.

 

Acting unilaterally could prompt legal challenges. Since Congress controls new federal spending, Trump already predicted sidestepping lawmakers could have lawsuit consequences. But he dared opponents to deprive Americans of relief.

 

"If we get sued, it's [from] somebody that doesn't want people to get money," Trump said. "And that's not going to be a very popular thing."

 

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said Trump's payroll tax holiday could drain the Social Security trust fund and said some states cannot afford the 25 percent unemployment match, especially since the GOP has opposed additional money to state and local governments.

 

“Donald Trump is trying to distract from his failure to extend the $600 federal boost for 30 million unemployed workers by issuing illegal executive orders," Wyden said. "This scheme is a classic Donald Trump con: play-acting at leadership while robbing people of the support they desperately need."

 

But Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said he supports Trump's unilateral actions.

 

"I applaud @realDonaldTrump executive actions to help the American [people]," Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, tweeted. "Democrats all or nothing strategy jeopardizes the certainty Americans need to pay their bills. [President] Trump puts the American [people] first, compared to nonstop political games by Democrats."

 

 

House Democrats already passed their $3 trillion coronavirus relief bill in May. The Senate GOP last month proposed a $1 trillion plan, though didn't bring the measure to a vote as Republicans were divided on whether more aid is even needed.

 

DESPITE POLLS AND PANDEMIC, TRUMP CAMPAIGN ARGUES CANDIDATE BETTER POSITIONED THAN IN 2016

 

Pelosi and Schumer have been in talks all week with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, but the two sides couldn't strike a deal.

Democrats blamed the GOP for failing to understand the gravity of the crisis and for trying to "nickel and dime" struggling Americans, while the White House accused Democrats of not being willing to compromise.

 

Trump blasted the Democrats' $3 trillion HEROES Act as a “radical left policy” that includes bailouts to states, sending stimulus help to undocumented immigrants, and funding for mail-in voting and other election provisions.

 

“They want to steal the election," Trump said of Democrats.

Trump's orders are narrower in scope than the trillions Congress is mulling for a massive stimulus to the virus-damaged economy.

 

The president didn't address some of the big issues that congressional proposals sought to tackle, including another round of $1,200 stimulus checks, aid to schools to reopen safely, an infusion of cash to revenue-strapped state and local governments, food assistance, new lawsuit protections for businesses and money for mail-in voting for the 2020 elections.

 

Because of provisions in the Constitution that grant the legislative branch spending power, the White House can't just pull hundreds of billions out of the ether without Congressional approval.

 

PELOSI SAYS DEMOCRATS WILLING TO COMPROMISE AT $2T FOR CORONAVIRUS BILL, REJECTED BY TRUMP ADMIN

 

But the Trump administration believes it has access to $140 billion which it can “reprogram.” That includes $80 billion in untapped money from the big coronavirus bill signed into law in March and roughly $40 billion from the Disaster Relief Fund.

 

Trump's executive order indicated he would use "up to $44 billion from the DRF" to cover the federal government's 75 percent share of the $400 weekly unemployment aid.

 

The White House believes it can divert the funding, similar to how Trump in 2019 declared a national emergency at the border with Mexico to shift billions of dollars from the Pentagon budget to help pay for a border wall.

 

Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, said Trump may have some legal authority to defer payroll tax payments and student loan repayments and to extend the eviction moratorium. But the $400 unemployment payments are a different story.

 

“The unemployment benefits are less clear because the Constitution gives Congress authority to spend money,” Tobias told Fox News. “[The president] may try to move around other money appropriated like Trump did with the wall. It is unclear that lawsuits could be resolved in time to stop some of his efforts.”

 

GOP OFFICIALS PREVIEW ‘EPIC’ TRUMP ADDRESS, FIRST FAMILY ROLE IN EVOLVING CONVENTION PROGRAM

 

Democrats want the White House to continue negotiating with Congress on a big package.

“Democrats repeat our call to Republicans to return to the table, meet us halfway and work together to deliver immediate relief to the American people," Schumer and Pelosi said Saturday. "Lives are being lost, and time is of the essence.”

 

No votes are expected in the House until the week of Sept. 14 unless both parties can reach a deal on a coronavirus stimulus package.

 

The need for relief is pressing as millions of Americans lost the $600-per-week federal unemployment benefit that expired at the end of July. A partial moratorium on evictions on properties with government-backed mortgages also expired at the end of last month.

 

There are about 110 million Americans living in rental households; up to 23 million renters – or 20 percent – are at risk of eviction by Sept. 30, according to an analysis by the COVID-19 Eviction Defense Project.

 

With the supplemental $600 in unemployment benefits now officially lapsed, about 24 million Americans say they have little to no chance of being able to pay next month's rent, according to a survey by the U.S. Census Bureau.

 

Rent and mortgage payments are typically the largest monthly expense for Americans: 1 in 4 tenant families pays more than half of its income for rent, a rate that’s even higher in cities like San Francisco and New York, according to Harvard’s Joint Center for Housing Studies.

 

New jobless figures from the Labor Department, which cover the week ending August 1, show that more than 1.18 million workers sought aid last week, the lowest since March 14.  The latest figures bring the total number of unemployment claims since the shutdown began to more than 55 million.

The unemployment rate sits at 10.2%, down from 11.1% in June.

 

 

 

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