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@gruffstuff 

Very nicely said! What we could have versus how some mess up what we could have, in the name of selfish falsehoods. Power for control, not power for the common good.

 

Never Forget

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Trump on Socialism

 

Well it's a paradox isn't it.

 

 

Taxation is legal plunder unless nationalism compels good citizens to endless war in which we all must do our part so 1% of the population can fight those wars for us while we live our lives, and pay our taxes, to support those wars.

 

 

In that case it's not legal plunder it's patriotism for the common good.

 

 

However if we engage in taxation for the common good to educate children, feed hungry people, care for sick people, to address a wide range of social issues in our own nation then that is legal plunder, otherwise known as taxation.

 

 

The idea solution would be the absence of legal plunder, a utopia, in which we have peace, order, stability, and good sense.

 

 

One in which people don't over eat and get fat, in which people don't become addicted to drugs that destroy their health, like opioids, nicotine , or alcohol. A world where people don't get old and worn out from work and sick from the toxins of the work place. 

 

 

A world in which every man and woman owned forty acres, and the tools and knowledge to work it with. Individuals, who will never become old, sick or poor.

 

 

A world without takers, only givers.

 

 

Unfortunately that world has never existed, and it never will.

 

 

The 1% has always existed in one form or another, there has always been wealth inequality. At one time it was Kings and their nobility, now it's stock holders of international corporations of which 1% of the world's population owns the vast majority of the stock.

 

 

Reality is a world in which 1% exert tremendous power that thwarts democracy and perverts government of the people into government of 1% of the people.

 

 

So we must do the best we can with what we have to work with, we must look at the social problems of the citizens in the same way we look at the needs of nationalism and war, and find a balance between the two, and really consider them the same thing.

 

 

The common good

 

 

Which is what socialism tries to do, until like Democracy, it becomes perverted by people and their lust for power and money.

 

 

Money leads to power, and power leads to money, which leads to more power, which leads to more money.

 

 

So the challenge we really have is good government, not labels or ideology.

 

 

So the final question is do you think we have good government under Trump and Republicans, and if you don't, what are you as a citizen going to do about it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@NOTHAPPENING  Well, coming from a previous marriage to a elected Republican in a Republican county....trust me, those freebies flow, maybe not guns or ammo but they will send a fruit basket or whatever is needed!!!  Don't even ask about the perks when you go out of country to view the new bidden piece of equipment.  OOOPS!!!!  LMAO

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@L42010 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@afisher wrote:

 

Note to the left: All drivers pay for the roads they ride on via the motor fuel taxes. Some lefties bypass that with their electric Teslas which don't pay motor fuel taxes.

 

I hate socialism - new green initiative, Medicare for all, free college, free cell phones, free internet, and other handouts for the left.


I don't like communism either, I happen to have experienced it ,and is not fun.

Now, socialism according to you, I doubt that it will ever be implemented in the US and I don't like Medicare for All, but  for a lot of different reason, I do want to see a National Health Care system. Fee college? not for private colleges and Universities and I would like to see the State really take a look at some of the charges that many have. they have become really very hign/  free phones and free internet. I don't see that Mobil or Verizon or ATT or any of the other providers will certanly see that it doesn't happen and free Internet, that is absurd to actually believe that we or anyone will see or even want that.  And Please do not generalize, people are not stupid and they don't necessarily represent the Left/


You are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your entire posting. Free stuff is never free. Someone has to pay for YOUR free stuff.


Huh....go tell that to the NRA!!!!


I don't belong to the NRA. Are you getting free stuff from NRA (bullets and guns)?

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Trumps 12 Billion Bailout to American Farmers is Socialism - Bailouts to Farmers Are a Socialist Program

 

Trumps Bailout of Sanctions on ZTE is Socialism and possibly a Quid Pro Quo

 

Trump’s economic nationalism is Socialism

 

After all, Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy.

 

The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers.

 

This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers.

 

Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

 

I posted the above in my original post - but it seems  many of those people who are afraid of mere words - like - Socialism.........

 

Can simply pick & choose what examples of Government Programs they want to demagogue & what programs that are in fact developed & funded in the exact same ways they choose to simply ignore depending on what political Ideology was responsible for implementing them

 

Bailouts to Farmers - paid for by all Tax Payers just like a Medicare for All has to fall under your definition of - Socialism

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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Free stuff????    REALLY????   What about all those lobbyists like the NRA????  Incentives are different though, right?

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@afisher wrote:

 

Note to the left: All drivers pay for the roads they ride on via the motor fuel taxes. Some lefties bypass that with their electric Teslas which don't pay motor fuel taxes.

 

I hate socialism - new green initiative, Medicare for all, free college, free cell phones, free internet, and other handouts for the left.


I don't like communism either, I happen to have experienced it ,and is not fun.

Now, socialism according to you, I doubt that it will ever be implemented in the US and I don't like Medicare for All, but  for a lot of different reason, I do want to see a National Health Care system. Fee college? not for private colleges and Universities and I would like to see the State really take a look at some of the charges that many have. they have become really very hign/  free phones and free internet. I don't see that Mobil or Verizon or ATT or any of the other providers will certanly see that it doesn't happen and free Internet, that is absurd to actually believe that we or anyone will see or even want that.  And Please do not generalize, people are not stupid and they don't necessarily represent the Left/


You are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your entire posting. Free stuff is never free. Someone has to pay for YOUR free stuff.


Huh....go tell that to the NRA!!!!

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@Panjandrum wrote:

NOTHAPPENING:  When government grows at the rate the Democrats want, that is defined as Socialism!

 

 

Another fantasy meets reality.

 

 

Stop Calling the GOP the Party of Small Government

https://reason.com/archives/2018/05/19/stop-calling-the-gop-the-party

 

If You Want Bigger Government, Vote Republican

https://mises.org/wire/if-you-want-bigger-government-vote-republican

 

Dear Republicans: Big budgets equal big government

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dear-republicans-big-budgets-equal-big-government


Says the people who pray at the alter of AOC.

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NOTHAPPENING:  When government grows at the rate the Democrats want, that is defined as Socialism!

 

 

Another fantasy meets reality.

 

 

Stop Calling the GOP the Party of Small Government

https://reason.com/archives/2018/05/19/stop-calling-the-gop-the-party

 

If You Want Bigger Government, Vote Republican

https://mises.org/wire/if-you-want-bigger-government-vote-republican

 

Dear Republicans: Big budgets equal big government

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dear-republicans-big-budgets-equal-big-government

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@rker321 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@afisher wrote:

 

Note to the left: All drivers pay for the roads they ride on via the motor fuel taxes. Some lefties bypass that with their electric Teslas which don't pay motor fuel taxes.

 

I hate socialism - new green initiative, Medicare for all, free college, free cell phones, free internet, and other handouts for the left.


I don't like communism either, I happen to have experienced it ,and is not fun.

Now, socialism according to you, I doubt that it will ever be implemented in the US and I don't like Medicare for All, but  for a lot of different reason, I do want to see a National Health Care system. Fee college? not for private colleges and Universities and I would like to see the State really take a look at some of the charges that many have. they have become really very hign/  free phones and free internet. I don't see that Mobil or Verizon or ATT or any of the other providers will certanly see that it doesn't happen and free Internet, that is absurd to actually believe that we or anyone will see or even want that.  And Please do not generalize, people are not stupid and they don't necessarily represent the Left/


You are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your entire posting. Free stuff is never free. Someone has to pay for YOUR free stuff.

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