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humans figured out how to manipulate it for their personal benefit without actually touching any of the goods or performing the necessary labor to produce the product. That permitted them to derive a 'profit' without real contribution to its production. Exploit it in other words

 

 

That is key. The "instruments" created since 1980 allow the top 10% or so to accrue "wealth" ( a word that means i didnt work for it ) rather than being distriuted back to the worker via a healthcare plan or tuition free education.  .Its been legislated to work like that.  Other nations do it, and they arent run by despots. that dirty word socialist get tossed around to keep us FREE dont ya know.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Centristsin2010:  The thousands of pages of email correspondence chart how Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and his aides instead tailored their survey of protected sites to emphasize the value of logging, ranching, and energy development that would be unlocked if they were not designated as national monuments.

 

 

Putting aside the likelihood that Trump is beholden to Putin, his administration is running a smash-n-grab operation where they're scarfing up public assets for their corporate cronies. Disgusting people any way you look at them.


Overlooking the natural bias of the left for Capitalism, think of these words, "to emphasize the value of logging, ranching, and energy development" in terms of their value to people.

 

While neoMarxists detest the concept of "profit", remember that the profit is made by satisfying the wants and needs of the free people.

 

Although some might be happy shopping at GUM - I prefer having all the options from Tiffany to Dollar General.


Agreed about profit. Of course there are a whole lot of choices between GUM and Tiffany's/Dollar General. Your ridiculous hyperbole is duly noted.

 

And the real question is, how much of our country's natural treasures do you believe should be destroyed so that a few capitalists can shop at Tiffany's?

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@Panjandrum wrote:

Centristsin2010:  The thousands of pages of email correspondence chart how Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and his aides instead tailored their survey of protected sites to emphasize the value of logging, ranching, and energy development that would be unlocked if they were not designated as national monuments.

 

 

Putting aside the likelihood that Trump is beholden to Putin, his administration is running a smash-n-grab operation where they're scarfing up public assets for their corporate cronies. Disgusting people any way you look at them.


Overlooking the natural bias of the left for Capitalism, think of these words, "to emphasize the value of logging, ranching, and energy development" in terms of their value to people.

 

While neoMarxists detest the concept of "profit", remember that the profit is made by satisfying the wants and needs of the free people.

 

Although some might be happy shopping at GUM - I prefer having all the options from Tiffany to Dollar General.

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Centristsin2010:  The thousands of pages of email correspondence chart how Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and his aides instead tailored their survey of protected sites to emphasize the value of logging, ranching, and energy development that would be unlocked if they were not designated as national monuments.

 

 

Putting aside the likelihood that Trump is beholden to Putin, his administration is running a smash-n-grab operation where they're scarfing up public assets for their corporate cronies. Disgusting people any way you look at them.

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On the outside chance there are those who do not recognize the historical tactics of plutocrats [Read that as current Republicans], consider the underlying view that anything...anything at all that will yield 'money' is fair game.  Historically, that mentality resides solely within the Capitalism Philosophy which has no responsibility ethic within it save continuance of that ability to exploit.

 

The ends justify the means of getting what you want.  I.e......anything goes. Forget the nonsense about individual freedoms and 'clap-trap' of that sort.  When it comes right down to it, in Communism and Predatory capitalism anything goes.  There is a different end beneficiary for the two. 

 

In the final analysis, Communism depends on the idea that human altruism is a 'good' thing and really can exist.  Many major religions are rooted in a similar concept, Christianity among them.  Mankind doesn't treat altruists well for the most part.  Sometimes they kill them.  And so, even though Communism talks a good game, delivering on it is something else.

 

Capitalism, in it's true wolf skin, sees altruism as a weakness. So is the idea that everyone should share equally in responsibility for society's well being.  Forget the nonsense peddled about 'charity' being a solution. That's Bull.  A ploy so 'real capitalists' can buck their responsibility off to those willing to assume it because they have a 'soft-heart'. They themselves are not so equipped. Never have been. These guys say they practice charity...they don't...not the real thing.  Bad for the bottom line.  Hey....that's a good thing for the wolf....not so much for the sheep. Utter hypocrisy....and we, poor fools, stand still and 'take it'.

 

By the way...barter is not capitalism.  Capitalism has to have a medium of exchange that represents a certain amount of any given product...not the product itself.  I has to be a fungible thing.  Many things have been used as a medium of exchange.  Sea-shells, grain, gold and other metals, coins , printed paper and so on....all capable of being tallied somehow so it can be traded in lieu of the product it represents.  Human labor being among the product represented. 

 

Needless to say, as soon as this 'tally' capability developed, humans figured out how to manipulate it for their personal benefit without actually touching any of the goods or performing the necessary labor to produce the product. That permitted them to derive a 'profit' without real contribution to its production. Exploit it in other words.  The ability and willingness to do that unfairly is widely seen as 'making a good deal' among Republicans, a talent to be emulated.  That's where the predatory part of Capitalism comes in.  Why?  Well..because not enough and sometimes nothing at all is put back to replace what was taken.  Even when performing a useful service to enable commerce, the idea is to screw over the 'other guy'.  The art of the deal.  The personification of that occupies the 'People's House' as we speak.  These people deplete the resource and render it unusable in the future.  That's what happens and any 'candid' person will see it and admit it is so.  So...apply that to the topic of this post.  There is a pre-requisite....you have to be 'candid'.  

 

Whether or not  you want to admit it, this entire land was appropriated by emigrants of one sort or another, from people already here.  Stolen is another word for it. 

 

So....I view the entire world as a resource held in common.  No one, no matter who, 'owns' it or any part of it.  We are temporary tenants responsible to yield back the rental property we use in like condition to when we moved in. I can see no long term survival for mankind absent that practice.  This IS a closed system, it has to 'heal' itself or die.  And there's nowhere else to go.  Not that we know of now.  So why be stupid with our legacy to our kids? Immediate Gratification for you is not a valid reason.  Try another.

 

No one thought to require a 'deposit' for Capitalists and Republicans to continue to exist. Should have.  Some are no better than the homeless squatters who move into vacant tenements without permission and then trash them.  NONE of this 'belongs' to these people.  So....why is it the rest of us let them get by with this virtual occupation of what is NOT RIGHTFULLY THEIRS?

 

True enough....this sort of thing has happened as long as animals claimed 'territory'.  That changes nothing at all....it simply is not right.  In Capitalistic terms, the books have to made to 'balance'.  Can't have it any other way.  Not in my account book.

 

 

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One of the best things that we have done as a nation, is the preservation of areas now known as National Parks. To have these for people to go to is an experience. And they should be considered national treasures. 

Many years back I was fortunate enough take a month, drive to a number of National Parks, and it was great experience that I remember on a frequent basis. 

I hope we resist this crazed effort by trump and zinke. 

Of course this is the same bunch that wants to have drilling rigs near tourist beaches, and supports clean coal!

 

Unreal. Greed is their byline

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    The idea that is very clear is that if the current regime cannot make money off of an asset, then it has to be killed off and made into a money making machine - regardless of any other benefit.    These folks can make all sorts of claims...but I remember Rand Paul, who remarked on the leveling of mountain tops to better mine coal    "the view is so much better".     That is the idiots who are currently looking to rape the land, some more.     They will soon say, that if children want to learn about the environment,  then go to Sea World and look at the fish, or go to some theme park to see animals in a cage, etc etc.  

    Pathetic pukes.     Although I am amused that they leaked their own game plan, and then "asked nicely' - please burn after reading.   ha ha ha

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Trump administration officials dismissed benefits of national monuments

 

In a quest to shrink national monuments last year, senior Interior Department officials dismissed evidence that these public lands boosted tourism and spurred archaeological discoveries, according to documents the department released this month and retracted a day later.

 

The thousands of pages of email correspondence chart how Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and his aides instead tailored their survey of protected sites to emphasize the value of logging, ranching, and energy development that would be unlocked if they were not designated as national monuments.

Comments that the department’s Freedom of Information Act officers made in the documents show that they sought to keep some of the references out of public view because they were “revealing [the] strategy” behind the review.

 

Presidents can establish national monuments in federal land or waters if they determine that cultural, historical or natural resources are imperiled. In April, President Trump signed an executive order instructing Zinke to review 27 national monuments established over a period of 21 years, arguing that his predecessors had overstepped their authority in placing these large sites off-limits to development.

 

Trump has already massively reduced two of Utah’s largest national monuments, Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante, and has not ruled out altering others.

 

The new documents show that as Zinke conducted his four-month review, Interior officials rejected material that would justify keeping protections in place and sought out evidence that could buttress the case for unraveling them.

 

On July 3, 2017, Bureau of Land Management official Nikki Moore wrote colleagues about five draft economic reports on sites under scrutiny, noting that there is a paragraph within each on “our ability to estimate the value of energy and/or minerals forgone as a result of the designations.” That reference was redacted on the grounds it could “reveal strategy about the [national monument] review process.”

 

Officials also singled out BLM acting deputy director John Ruhs’s July 28 response to questions from Katherine MacGregor, acting assistant secretary of lands and minerals management, as eligible to be redacted. MacGregor had asked about the logging potential of Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument if Trump reversed the expansion that Barack Obama carried out at the end of his second term.

 

“Previous timber sale planning and development in the [expansion area] can be immediately resumed,” Ruhs wrote.

 

Zinke proposed removing some of the forested areas within Cascade-Siskiyou, where three mountain ranges and several distinct ecosystems intersect, to “allow sustained-yield timber production.” Trump has yet to alter the site, which was established by Bill Clinton as a 65,000-acre monument and then enlarged by nearly 48,000 acres days before Obama left office.

 

These redactions came to light because Interior’s FOIA office sent out a batch of documents to journalists and advocacy groups on July 16 that they later removed online.

 

more at:  Trump administration officials dismissed benefits of national monuments


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