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Did you not notice "It didn't happen" to "It might have happened but it was a favor for Trump". Then there is the "spy" vs "source" vs "informant" game.

 


Nope, that is just something you added.


Just to clarify - are you saying that you have not heard any Dem say that it was actually a favor for Trump?

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If the investigation was for partisan purposes why wasn't anything released about it until after the election? Based upon the actions of the FBI it would seem that any partisan activity was in support of Trump instead of against him.

First, they thought Hillary would win - this was just the sort of "insurance" that Strzok sought. And yes, the Party line, "They were helping Trump". But when you think about it, if they were helping him, don't you suppose they would have told him?


 


To offer proof you must actually offer proof.

 

If they (?) were so sure Hillary would win why would they(?) bother to spy on Trump?

As posted immediately above your question - the Strzok insurance policy.

 

What party line? The facts are that the FBI put out damaging claims that proved baseless about Hillary two weeks before the election but kept any information about the investigation into Trump’s questionable activities quiet until weeks AFTER the election.

In one of his numerous interviews on his book tour, Comey said he thought he was helping Hillary, not harming her. He was acting on the widely held belief that she would win (remember the poll?). His theory was to get that out before the elections to clear the air so as to not taint her Presidency by having it come out later. Now - is that honesty on his part or an excuse? I obviously have no way of knowing. 


 

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Centrist, this is old news. Trump's white, blue collar voters perceive themselves as VICTIMS. In their  view of the world, blacks, gays, lesbians, and immigrants were getting special treatment from the government while they were being ignored. There's a fair amount of validity in that complaint.

 

Centrist, these are people who saw crude Donald Trump as someone who would return America to the 1950s. That's the America they identify with and perceive as the real America. In their world, white people, blue collar factory people, are the real Americans. Immigrants, minorities and gay people are infringing upon the kind of America they want. They also have fond memories of an America which was dominated by factories before the world transitioned into a global economy.

 


Again the cult of hate seeing some relation between the possibility of a spy in the Trump campaign and immigrants, minorities, gays, etc.

 

Or, are they smarter than they seem and intentionally throwing in emotionally charged diversions?

 

BTW - we have only one poster having fond memories of the '50s industrial scene - and he/she/it is certainly not a fan of President Trump.

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After all, who would you believe, the FBI or a pathological liar?

 

Depends on who you ask, CeeTee.  If you ask the uneducated or racists or sexists, they'll take the liar everytime.  They're so much alike.


Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump

 

RESEARCH FINDS THAT RACISM, SEXISM, AND STATUS FEARS DROVE TRUMP VOTERS


Once again the single minded focus of the cult of hatred. We are discussing the possibility and appropriateness of a spy in a political campaign and here we are - insulting those who voted for the President.

 

Any fairminded person knows that education, racism, sexism, and status have nothing to do with the topic - except to those obsessed with their hatred of the President.

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 And yes, the Party line, "They were helping Trump". But when you think about it, if they were helping him, don't you suppose they would have told him?

 


What makes you think Trump didn't know the Russians were helping him?


That is not the topic - it is a "source" placed in the campaign for partisan purposes. Let's remember, Obama had the intelligence reports and stated that the Russians had not effected the outcome of the elections.


There is not a shred of truth in your entire comment.

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@CriticalThinking—I will remind you of the analysis of the experts with regard to trump supporters. “Under educated, easily manipulated, gullible, and racist”. The analysts didn’t mention delusional, but that has become monumentally obvious.

Enough said!?

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


Got it - you do not like President Trump and feel superior to his supporters. However, about the corruption of federal agencies for partisan purposes - any thoughts?


I do think that Trump should stop using federal agencies for partisan purposes. Do you?

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Did you not notice "It didn't happen" to "It might have happened but it was a favor for Trump". Then there is the "spy" vs "source" vs "informant" game.

 


Nope, that is just something you added.

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@rk9152 wrote:

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@Richvawrote:

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Trump is a despicable human being who's doing his best to destroy our intelligence agencies, the press, the Justice Dept. and the FBI. Incredibly, his cult members cannot see what's obvious to everyone with a brain.


Does that mean that you approve of the use of government agencies for partisan purposes? And specifically, do you approve of placing a spy in the campaign organization of the other Party?


I realize that conservatives do not like to read (right Donald?) but someone should point out to them that when one campaign is cooperating with the Russians, investigating them is not partisan.  It is survival of the country.   


This has nothing to do with what you "realize" about Conservatives. It has to do with whether or not you approve of having a campaign spied on by federal agencies for partisan purposes.


One problem with your theory. It was NOT partisan. Offer proof.


the words of Brennan, Strzok, Clapper, need more? it happened under the obama administration, need more? the actions of lois lerner, need more?


In other words, it is just something you are spouting to excuse the possibly illegal actions of Trump.

Nope - just offering the proof you demanded.

 

If the investigation was for partisan purposes why wasn't anything released about it until after the election? Based upon the actions of the FBI it would seem that any partisan activity was in support of Trump instead of against him.

First, they thought Hillary would win - this was just the sort of "insurance" that Strzok sought. And yes, the Party line, "They were helping Trump". But when you think about it, if they were helping him, don't you suppose they would have told him?


 


To offer proof you must actually offer proof.

 

If they (?) were so sure Hillary would win why would they(?) bother to spy on Trump?

 

What party line? The facts are that the FBI put out damaging claims that proved baseless about Hillary two weeks before the election but kept any information about the investigation into Trump’s questionable activities quiet until weeks AFTER the election.

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When Do Americans Say It Isn’t Right to ‘Spy on a Campaign’? Rep. Mark Meadows said Dept. of Justice lacks the transparency required to respect lawmakers' constitutional oversight prerogatives 

 

Americans should know when and “at whose direction” an FBI informant began interacting with three of President Donald Trump’s campaign officials, “what were they collecting and who were they reporting to,” House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) said Sunday.

 

“What we do know is that there was indeed a confidential human source, is what the FBI would call it, that was actually giving intel,” Meadows said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” noting that “you have to ask the question, when did it start?”

 

“We know that actually they initiated the contact between members of the Trump campaign — and at whose direction?” Meadows added. “And at what point do we as Americans say it is not right to spy on a campaign whether it’s Donald Trump’s or [Sen.] Bernie Sanders’ [I-Vt.]? It’s not right.”

 

The FBI placed an informant, Cambridge University professor Stefan Halper, inside Trump’s campaign early in the spring of 2016, The New York Times reported earlier in May. Halper, who has years of experience working for the FBI and CIA,  talked with former Trump advisers Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and Sam Clovis during the campaign.

 

At Trump’s direction, the Department of Justice (DOJ) announced last week that Inspector General Michael Horowitz will investigate if Halper’s activities are evidence the Obama administration improperly infiltrated and surveilled the chief executive’s campaign to help his opponent, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

 

Although top U.S. intelligence community officials briefed GOP and Democratic lawmakers Thursday amid escalating tensions on the government’s actions against Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, Meadows insisted that more questions remain unanswered because there is too little transparency in the DOJ.

 

"There was a briefing ... yet there were no documents that were shown," Meadows said. "We're hopeful that that will happen in the coming days as long as we can protect the sources and methods that are important to all Americans."

 

"At the same time, we continue to see this dragging out of a narrative, you know, where we're not seeing documents, where we're not getting the type of transparency that, really, members of Congress have requested for seven or eight months," he added.

 

But there is "no question" that the FBI's "confidential human sources" were engaging with Trump campaign officials "prior to the official FBI investigation" into Russia's election interference and collusion allegations," Meadows emphasized.

 

"So the question begs — at whose direction, you know — what were they collecting and who were they reporting to?" he said. "Because that was happening before the FBI actually opened an investigation."

 

"There is no question that there was a spy that was collecting information. The definition of that — somebody who does something in secret without the knowledge of another person," Meadows said.

 

But former Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper shied away from the use of the term "spy" during an interview Sunday on "Face the Nation."

 

"I have an aversion to the use of the word 'spy,'" Clapper said. "But let's just for the sake of discussion use that term, which conventionally means the use of tradecraft using a formally trained case officer who would mask identity, who would attempt to recruit."

 

"So none of the classical attributes of spycraft, if [we] can use that term, were present here," Clapper insisted. "This is the most benign form of information gathering. So to characterize it as a spy or Spygate is, of course, part of the narrative."

 

Meadows rejected Democrats' attempts to label the "spy" as a mere "informant," saying that an informant would be someone who "had information on you and went to the FBI and said, 'You know, listen we have this wrongdoing, we're giving you some information where it was not directed or where the initiation of it was not from the informant.'"

 

But if the FBI "knew what was going on," then the bureau should have given a "defensive briefing" to Trump and his campaign, Meadows insisted.

 

"Why did they not go to the nominee and say, 'By the way, here is a problem?'" Meadows wondered. "'We want to make you aware of it.' Why was that never done?"

 

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/when-do-americans-say-it-isnt-right-to-spy-on-a-campaign/

 

 

 

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Centrist, this is old news. Trump's white, blue collar voters perceive themselves as VICTIMS. In their  view of the world, blacks, gays, lesbians, and immigrants were getting special treatment from the government while they were being ignored. There's a fair amount of validity in that complaint.

 

Centrist, these are people who saw crude Donald Trump as someone who would return America to the 1950s. That's the America they identify with and perceive as the real America. In their world, white people, blue collar factory people, are the real Americans. Immigrants, minorities and gay people are infringing upon the kind of America they want. They also have fond memories of an America which was dominated by factories before the world transitioned into a global economy.

 

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