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The bill you refer to did not have the President's requirement for border security. How many different ways are you going to dodge that?


You mean like you continually dodge any attempt to get you to explain how a shutdown where the Republican House, Republican Senate and Republican President could not reach any agreement is somehow Nancy Pelosi’s fault? If any bill came to a vote and the sole reason it failed was because of the Democratic House members, you might have a case. Until then I will know that you are just making excuses to protect Trump.


No, I mean like exactly what I said. And that did not include that it is "somehow Nancy Pelosi's fault".

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Trump said,  "I WILL PROUDLY SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER MY BORDER WALL"


No he didn't.

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Yes, he did!  

Watch and listen below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6mq58zw4s

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no he didn't, Schumer said it

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Yes, he did! Trump said he would be proud to shut the government down for border security.  Listen to the entire video below. Trump makes the full statement about the border wall towards the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6mq58zw4s

 

Check ct's words in quotes.


 

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@cm9889168 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

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I just hope that Trump doesn't shut down the Government again over the Wall 😡


I just hope Nancy doesn't do it for partisan purposes again.


Are you referring to the shutdown that occurred when the Republicans had control of both houses of Congress? Please explain how Ms. Pelosi had the power to prevent the Republicans from bringing a bill passed by the House up for a vote in the Senate or how she forced Ryan to refuse to bring a bill passed nearly unanimously in the Senate up for a vote in the House.

 

Not everyone is as ignorant as Trump supporters.


Under Congressional rules the budget could not be passed without Dem votes.

 

Before throwing the word "ignorant" around, it might be wise to acquire some knowledge.


How was any Democrat supposed to vote for a bill when the Republican leadership refused to allow for a vote? 

 

The fact is is that several Democrats in each house voted for a bill to fund the government. The Senate passed a bill to fund the government nearly unanimously (which means that many Democrats voted for it) but Paul Ryan refused to allow a vote on that bill in the House. 

 

The House had also passed a bill to fund the government with many Democratic votes but Mitch McConnell refused to allow a vote on that bill. 

 

You still haven’t explained how Nancy Pelosi had such power that she was able to force Ryan and McConnell to act as they did. 

 

Before you continue to post your claim that Pelosi shut down the government for partisan purposes you might actually look at some facts. If Trump supporters actually look led at facts instead of just making up excuses maybe so many wouldn’t think them proudly ignorant.


The Leadership is not going to put up a bill that Pelosi wants and (due to Pelosi) they didn't have the votes for border security.

 

If not for partisan reasons - why is she opposed to the President's request? I would not claim she opposes border security - so why???

 

I hope that does not make me "proudly ignorant" in the eyes of "so many".


Why is Trump opposed to real, effective border security? Is it for partisan purposes? Or is it for personal reasons?

 

Since they had the votes in December to pass the bills why wouldn’t the Republicans bring them up for a vote? As McConnell said, he was not going to consider any bill that Trump wouldn’t sign. Nothing to do with Pelosi or the Democrats, just Trump and his Republican enablers.


They had the votes to pass the bill Pelosi wanted. I hope that answers your question.

 

It was totally bi-partisan - Trump wanted, Pelosi refused.


You are still wrong. They passed bills that were agreed to by the majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Trump whined that FOX was mean to him and he would not sign what he had agreed to earlier.

 

Are the Republicans so incompetent that a little disagreement turns them into whiney babies? Trump has proven that is true for him, but do you put all Republicans into the same category?

 

Your attempts to blame Pelosi for the failures of Trump and the Republicans is becoming ridiculous.


I'm not sure why the Libs keep whining about the same thing with Pres Trump not signing the bill 'that Pelosi wanted' when everyone knows Pelosi does NOT negotiate at all.  She NEVER agreed in any way, shape, or form to anything.  Pres Trump has negotiated many times in lowering the amount he originally needed for an American border barrier/wall/curtain/whatever you prefer to call it.  The president has repeated many times that he will NOT sign any bill that does not include that funding.  And Nanny keeps wasting taxpayers' money by submitting bills without any funding for that barrier.  Yet she keeps trying to put it all on Trump.  It also shows that her and the Libs don't care at all about DACA because that is also part of the 'negotiation'.

 

Then she loves to blame it on the president when it's really all on her (and Chuckster).  She said she would 'negotiate' once the shutdown was lifted so we'll see if she lies again to Americans....she's already admitted she won't since shutdown was lifted, so we'll be watching on Feb. 15th.  I'd always bet against her EVER telling the truth.  


Why do think that Pelosi is so powerful that she can force Republicans to do her will? The bills ‘that Pelosi wanted’ were bills proposed by Republicans. In fact the Senate bill was approved by Trump until FOX made fun of him.

 

How is Trump demanding that everyone cave to him any way, shape or form ‘negotiating’? How is agreeing to comply with the law as determined by court giving anything?

 

Anyone supporting Trump should never complain about anyone else lying.  


Fox, always Fox.

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Trump's promises are always two parters. "I will do something evil, stupid, or expensive but then I will do something wonderful to take away all the pain".  He keeps forgetting the second part. Tear up NAFTA and negotiate something better.  Oops.  Tear up the Iran deal and keep them under better control. Oops.  Allow more air pollution and generate more coal mining jobs. Oops

 

Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it...............OOOPS

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@LydiaN586309 wrote:
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If Trump wasn't such a baby and a bully, he wouldn't have to be stuck in a corner or on his wall.  And if the Republican Party and their constituents didn't put party above and before country, we wouldn't have Baby Trump at all!

 

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It is strange to see an effort to be faithful to a campaign promise being described that way.

 

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If Trump were truly being FAITHFUL to his campaign promise he would keep "all" of that promise. 

Watch and listen below:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+--+who%27s+gonna+pay+for+the+wall%3f+trump&&view=detai...

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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+--+who%27s+gonna+pay+for+the+wall%3f+trump&view=detail...


No diversions please.


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Diversions?  Not my intention here. And yet everyone is entitiled to their opinion.  But the "fact" that Baby Trump insisted that Mexico would pay for THE WALL, is indeed a fact.  He said it!  Over and over again he said it.  Now, all that he or his Stepfords can remember is that he campaigned for a border wall.  But the other part to that was that we (the American people) would not be stuck with the bill for his fantastical "campaign promise."   He campaigned that he would make Mexico foot that bill!  Watch the vids above.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@LydiaN586309 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

Trump said,  "I WILL PROUDLY SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER MY BORDER WALL"


No he didn't.

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Yes, he did!  

Watch and listen below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6mq58zw4s


 


no he didn't, Schumer said it


Wow, Schumer must be a great ventriloquist. He even got the sound of Trump’s voice perfectly.

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@LydiaN586309 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

Trump said,  "I WILL PROUDLY SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER MY BORDER WALL"


No he didn't.

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Yes, he did!  

Watch and listen below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6mq58zw4s


 


Now you did it! Trump supporters only like the ‘facts’ that support their warped view.

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@n566192l wrote:

I just hope that Trump doesn't shut down the Government again over the Wall 😡


I just hope Nancy doesn't do it for partisan purposes again.


Are you referring to the shutdown that occurred when the Republicans had control of both houses of Congress? Please explain how Ms. Pelosi had the power to prevent the Republicans from bringing a bill passed by the House up for a vote in the Senate or how she forced Ryan to refuse to bring a bill passed nearly unanimously in the Senate up for a vote in the House.

 

Not everyone is as ignorant as Trump supporters.


Under Congressional rules the budget could not be passed without Dem votes.

 

Before throwing the word "ignorant" around, it might be wise to acquire some knowledge.


How was any Democrat supposed to vote for a bill when the Republican leadership refused to allow for a vote? 

 

The fact is is that several Democrats in each house voted for a bill to fund the government. The Senate passed a bill to fund the government nearly unanimously (which means that many Democrats voted for it) but Paul Ryan refused to allow a vote on that bill in the House. 

 

The House had also passed a bill to fund the government with many Democratic votes but Mitch McConnell refused to allow a vote on that bill. 

 

You still haven’t explained how Nancy Pelosi had such power that she was able to force Ryan and McConnell to act as they did. 

 

Before you continue to post your claim that Pelosi shut down the government for partisan purposes you might actually look at some facts. If Trump supporters actually look led at facts instead of just making up excuses maybe so many wouldn’t think them proudly ignorant.


The Leadership is not going to put up a bill that Pelosi wants and (due to Pelosi) they didn't have the votes for border security.

 

If not for partisan reasons - why is she opposed to the President's request? I would not claim she opposes border security - so why???

 

I hope that does not make me "proudly ignorant" in the eyes of "so many".


Why is Trump opposed to real, effective border security? Is it for partisan purposes? Or is it for personal reasons?

 

Since they had the votes in December to pass the bills why wouldn’t the Republicans bring them up for a vote? As McConnell said, he was not going to consider any bill that Trump wouldn’t sign. Nothing to do with Pelosi or the Democrats, just Trump and his Republican enablers.


They had the votes to pass the bill Pelosi wanted. I hope that answers your question.

 

It was totally bi-partisan - Trump wanted, Pelosi refused.


You are still wrong. They passed bills that were agreed to by the majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Trump whined that FOX was mean to him and he would not sign what he had agreed to earlier.

 

Are the Republicans so incompetent that a little disagreement turns them into whiney babies? Trump has proven that is true for him, but do you put all Republicans into the same category?

 

Your attempts to blame Pelosi for the failures of Trump and the Republicans is becoming ridiculous.


The bill you refer to did not have the President's requirement for border security. How many different ways are you going to dodge that?


You mean like you continually dodge any attempt to get you to explain how a shutdown where the Republican House, Republican Senate and Republican President could not reach any agreement is somehow Nancy Pelosi’s fault? If any bill came to a vote and the sole reason it failed was because of the Democratic House members, you might have a case. Until then I will know that you are just making excuses to protect Trump.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@LydiaN586309 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

Trump said,  "I WILL PROUDLY SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER MY BORDER WALL"


No he didn't.

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Yes, he did!  

Watch and listen below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6mq58zw4s

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no he didn't, Schumer said it

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Yes, he did! Trump said he would be proud to shut the government down for border security.  Listen to the entire video below. Trump makes the full statement about the border wall towards the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6mq58zw4s

 

 

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@n566192l wrote:

I just hope that Trump doesn't shut down the Government again over the Wall 😡


I just hope Nancy doesn't do it for partisan purposes again.


Are you referring to the shutdown that occurred when the Republicans had control of both houses of Congress? Please explain how Ms. Pelosi had the power to prevent the Republicans from bringing a bill passed by the House up for a vote in the Senate or how she forced Ryan to refuse to bring a bill passed nearly unanimously in the Senate up for a vote in the House.

 

Not everyone is as ignorant as Trump supporters.


Under Congressional rules the budget could not be passed without Dem votes.

 

Before throwing the word "ignorant" around, it might be wise to acquire some knowledge.


How was any Democrat supposed to vote for a bill when the Republican leadership refused to allow for a vote? 

 

The fact is is that several Democrats in each house voted for a bill to fund the government. The Senate passed a bill to fund the government nearly unanimously (which means that many Democrats voted for it) but Paul Ryan refused to allow a vote on that bill in the House. 

 

The House had also passed a bill to fund the government with many Democratic votes but Mitch McConnell refused to allow a vote on that bill. 

 

You still haven’t explained how Nancy Pelosi had such power that she was able to force Ryan and McConnell to act as they did. 

 

Before you continue to post your claim that Pelosi shut down the government for partisan purposes you might actually look at some facts. If Trump supporters actually look led at facts instead of just making up excuses maybe so many wouldn’t think them proudly ignorant.


The Leadership is not going to put up a bill that Pelosi wants and (due to Pelosi) they didn't have the votes for border security.

 

If not for partisan reasons - why is she opposed to the President's request? I would not claim she opposes border security - so why???

 

I hope that does not make me "proudly ignorant" in the eyes of "so many".


Why is Trump opposed to real, effective border security? Is it for partisan purposes? Or is it for personal reasons?

 

Since they had the votes in December to pass the bills why wouldn’t the Republicans bring them up for a vote? As McConnell said, he was not going to consider any bill that Trump wouldn’t sign. Nothing to do with Pelosi or the Democrats, just Trump and his Republican enablers.


They had the votes to pass the bill Pelosi wanted. I hope that answers your question.

 

It was totally bi-partisan - Trump wanted, Pelosi refused.


You are still wrong. They passed bills that were agreed to by the majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Trump whined that FOX was mean to him and he would not sign what he had agreed to earlier.

 

Are the Republicans so incompetent that a little disagreement turns them into whiney babies? Trump has proven that is true for him, but do you put all Republicans into the same category?

 

Your attempts to blame Pelosi for the failures of Trump and the Republicans is becoming ridiculous.


I'm not sure why the Libs keep whining about the same thing with Pres Trump not signing the bill 'that Pelosi wanted' when everyone knows Pelosi does NOT negotiate at all.  She NEVER agreed in any way, shape, or form to anything.  Pres Trump has negotiated many times in lowering the amount he originally needed for an American border barrier/wall/curtain/whatever you prefer to call it.  The president has repeated many times that he will NOT sign any bill that does not include that funding.  And Nanny keeps wasting taxpayers' money by submitting bills without any funding for that barrier.  Yet she keeps trying to put it all on Trump.  It also shows that her and the Libs don't care at all about DACA because that is also part of the 'negotiation'.

 

Then she loves to blame it on the president when it's really all on her (and Chuckster).  She said she would 'negotiate' once the shutdown was lifted so we'll see if she lies again to Americans....she's already admitted she won't since shutdown was lifted, so we'll be watching on Feb. 15th.  I'd always bet against her EVER telling the truth.  


Why do think that Pelosi is so powerful that she can force Republicans to do her will? The bills ‘that Pelosi wanted’ were bills proposed by Republicans. In fact the Senate bill was approved by Trump until FOX made fun of him.

 

How is Trump demanding that everyone cave to him any way, shape or form ‘negotiating’? How is agreeing to comply with the law as determined by court giving anything?

 

Anyone supporting Trump should never complain about anyone else lying.  

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