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Sure there is a purpose - see my last post.

Why would they answer any question on the census if they are fearful especially the one that ask about their Hispanic or Latin origin and what type.

The information is very valuable to state and local communities because if a non-citizen isn't eligible for something then those dollars can go elsewhere. 

 

A very simple example of that would be the number of voting machines and places to vote in local areas.  If there are many non-citizens who cannot vote in a certain area then some other area that has more citizens can get added machines and/or polling places.

This would be taken off of the voter registration roles, there is no need to use the census for this information.

Of course there is - as we have seen from the last several elections, massive numbers of people register to vote when an election is about to happen -

Remember the GOTV. 

That is factored in.  How would using data that is older than the current registration be of any value?

 

Another example would be various government programs that have citizenship as an eligibility requirement.  If an area has a lot of non-citizens then not as much as to be spent on those (citizenship required) program and these funds can go elsewhere where citizens might need them.

Since funding is done on an as needed basis, what are you referring to?

There are many where you have to be a citizen to be eligible or in a few cases, a (defined) eligible non-citizen

Examples

Public Housing or Housing Vouchers

Federal Student Financial Aid and the FAFSA

Yes, your examples are funded on an as needed basis and have nothing to do with a census count.

 

Asking the citizenship question to EVERYBODY in the 10-year census count would also indicate the family structure of citizen/non-citizen. 

Heck, seems like we should know this citizen/non-citizen make up  just for the sake of ever offering a pathway to citizenship - and just how many we are talking about.

Number of children and whether or not you have a spouse are on the questionnaire.


 


 


 

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its all about voting suppression and nothing else. Heard late today another Judge denied the DOJ can change lawyers regarding this. Too bad.
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Trump considers executive order on citizenship question

It seems to me that we have many on the left that are afraid to offend anyone....just like the cities and states that are sanctuary cities.

Its time we do what is best for our country...if it offends people so be it.

We need to know how many people in our country are citizens and how many are not.

If you consider yourself to be a Constitutionalist then you are choosing to ignore Article 1, Section 2.

We already have a very good idea from using the data compiled from the American Community Survey.

 

 

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@GailL1 wrote:


Sure there is a purpose - see my last post.

Why would they answer any question on the census if they are fearful especially the one that ask about their Hispanic or Latin origin and what type.

The information is very valuable to state and local communities because if a non-citizen isn't eligible for something then those dollars can go elsewhere. 

 

A very simple example of that would be the number of voting machines and places to vote in local areas.  If there are many non-citizens who cannot vote in a certain area then some other area that has more citizens can get added machines and/or polling places.

This would be taken off of the voter registration roles, there is no need to use the census for this information.

Of course there is - as we have seen from the last several elections, massive numbers of people register to vote when an election is about to happen -

Remember the GOTV. 

 

Another example would be various government programs that have citizenship as an eligibility requirement.  If an area has a lot of non-citizens then not as much as to be spent on those (citizenship required) program and these funds can go elsewhere where citizens might need them.

Since funding is done on an as needed basis, what are you referring to?

There are many where you have to be a citizen to be eligible or in a few cases, a (defined) eligible non-citizen

Examples

Public Housing or Housing Vouchers

Federal Student Financial Aid and the FAFSA

 

Asking the citizenship question to EVERYBODY in the 10-year census count would also indicate the family structure of citizen/non-citizen. 

Heck, seems like we should know this citizen/non-citizen make up  just for the sake of ever offering a pathway to citizenship - and just how many we are talking about.


 


 

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Trump considers executive order on citizenship question

It seems to me that we have many on the left that are afraid to offend anyone....just like the cities and states that are sanctuary cities.

Its time we do what is best for our country...if it offends people so be it.

We need to know how many people in our country are citizens and how many are not.
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  • There is no purpose to the citizenship question other than to suppress the count in immigrant communities. 
  • Including the question will suppress the count in immigrant communities by millions.

So far, no reason to include the question and two big reasons NOT to include the question. 


Sure there is a purpose - see my last post.

Why would they answer any question on the census if they are fearful especially the one that ask about their Hispanic or Latin origin and what type.

The information is very valuable to state and local communities because if a non-citizen isn't eligible for something then those dollars can go elsewhere. 

 

A very simple example of that would be the number of voting machines and places to vote in local areas.  If there are many non-citizens who cannot vote in a certain area then some other area that has more citizens can get added machines and/or polling places.

This would be taken off of the voter registration roles, there is no need to use the census for this information.

 

Another example would be various government programs that have citizenship as an eligibility requirement.  If an area has a lot of non-citizens then not as much as to be spent on those (citizenship required) program and these funds can go elsewhere where citizens might need them.

Since funding is done on an as needed basis, what are you referring to?

 

 


 

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@Richva wrote:
  • There is no purpose to the citizenship question other than to suppress the count in immigrant communities. 
  • Including the question will suppress the count in immigrant communities by millions.

So far, no reason to include the question and two big reasons NOT to include the question. 


Sure there is a purpose - see my last post.

Why would they answer any question on the census if they are fearful especially the one that ask about their Hispanic or Latin origin and what type.

The information is very valuable to state and local communities because if a non-citizen isn't eligible for something then those dollars can go elsewhere. 

 

A very simple example of that would be the number of voting machines and places to vote in local areas.  If there are many non-citizens who cannot vote in a certain area then some other area that has more citizens can get added machines and/or polling places.

 

Another example would be various government programs that have citizenship as an eligibility requirement.  If an area has a lot of non-citizens then not as much as to be spent on those (citizenship required) program and these funds can go elsewhere where citizens might need them.

 

 

 

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
Chief Political Correspondent Byron York on the expanded Washington Examiner magazine


Should ask 53%
Should not ask 32%
Not sure 14%

The SCOTUS was asked if they thought the  Trump administration had any business asking a question about ciizenship on the 2020 Cencus.

    Should ask 45%

    Should not ask 55%

    Not sure 0%

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Washington examiner? How many were surveyed and was it only trump supporters!


There are more if you don't like the Washington Examiner.

 

The Hill 07/02/2019 - Poll: Majority say the census should be able to include citizenship question

Sixty-seven percent of voters said the census should be able to ask whether people living in the U.S. are citizens, going against the recent Supreme Court decision on the matter, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll.

 

The poll also found that the inclusion of the question was supported among members of both parties, with 88 percent of Republicans and 52 percent of Democrats supporting its inclusion. 

 

Sixty-three percent of independents said they supported including the question on the census.

 

The Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll online survey of 2,182 registered voters was conducted from June 26 to June 29.

 

The Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll is a collaboration of the Center for American Political Studies at Harvard University and The Harris Poll.

 

And this is not just a recent change in their views -

The Hill 04/30/2019 - Most Americans support citizenship question on census form, poll finds

 

A majority of voters in a new poll say that a question about U.S. citizenship should be included in the 2020 census, an issue currently before justices on the Supreme Court.

 

Six in 10 registered voters, 60 percent, in a Hill-HarrisX survey released Tuesday said that the U.S. Census Bureau should ask the citizenship question even if it results in fewer responses. Another 21 percent said the question should not be included, while 19 percent were unsure.

 

Why would they "fear" answering this question ? - it is asked many other places in government on a one to one basis.  Here we have the chance to know a very important aspect of our society -

Why would they not answer the question especially if they know how important the census is and what it is used for - their benefit as well as citizens - for representation, for government dollars in some program - but not all..

 

Why would they answer such questions of age, sex. race, where they live and especially if they are of Hispanic or Latin origin and which type and not answer a citizenship question?

 

If they are NOT a citizen then there are certain benefits to which they are not entitled because of eligibility requirements.

 

Heck they are even asking this question on the hiring form for census workers because you have to be a citizen to be eligible for a census job.

 

 

 

 

 

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Trump just took another hit as WH officials scramble to find alternative ways to circumvent the Supreme Court and add the question.

 

Census Judge Denies Trump Administration's Bid for New Team

 

 

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