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It was 75 miles not just 27 like Mick posted.

The wall was to keep people in East Germany....the wall on our southern boarder is to keep illegals out of our country...not hard to see the difference.

Sorry, Mick but walls do work..you are wrong again...

Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-security-secretary-border-walls-work-yuma...

A bipartisan effort resulted in a wall that has cut the number of illegal immigrant apprehensions to a 10th of what it was in 2006.

Again this thread .."Trump Tries Cages Tear Gas Now Killing Immigrants" has three lies in it...a hat trick ..a hockey term.

1...Trump Tries Cages...if you want to call them that ..they are the same holding areas our country has used for long before Trump

2...Tear Gas..used by Border Patrol to keep the illegals from busting through our boarder...also used be the Obama Administration..needed.

3.. Killing Immigrants.....a out and out lie.

Actually KidBoy, the Berlin Wall was 23 miles long through the Berlin residential area. It was 66 miles of concrete wall and totaled 69 miles between West Berlin and E Germany.

 

The Berlin Wall did not work, it allowed thousands to cross it despite of the heavy security it had.  Yet, trump supporters erroneously think that a wall close to 2000 miles long with far less security would be successful. What an alternate reality they live in.


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@mickstuder wrote:

This US Representative Knows What It's Like To Escape Violence & Poverty in Central America

She Did It!

 

A 7-year-old migrant girl from Guatemala died while in CBP custody after not receiving medical care for 90 minutes.

 

The Trump administration blames her father,

 

SHE went several days without 

food or water.

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Shall we blame our government or our President???

 


Well, the way you all blamed Obama for everything, it seems like you would hold trump responsible.


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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The wall is your friend.


The - BERLIN WALL - The barrier included guard towers placed along large concrete walls,[4] accompanied by a wide area (later known as the "death strip") that contained anti-vehicle trenches, "fakir beds" and other defenses

 

The - BERLIN WALL - was only 27 Miles Long and was located inside a populated City

 

The - BERLIN WALL - was built in appox.1960 was taken down in approx. 1990

 

Even with all the Guards - Machine Guns - Barbed Wire - Concrete Barriers - over a 30 year Period - at least 10,000 people tried to get over under through the - BERLIN WALL

 

More than 5000 succeeded - Walls Do Not Work

 

Source - https://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/10/world/camor-east-berlin-wall-monument-cold-war-triumphs-tragedies...

 


The Berlin Wall didn't work and it was only, like you stated, 27 miles long. Yet, trump supporters suffering from blind hatred believe that a wall across our entire southern border (almost 2000 miles) will be "successful".     ?????????????


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Seven-year-old girl who died at border did not receive medical care for 90 minutes

 

If a dog was locked in a hot car and in distress, perhaps dying from dehydration, what would we do?

 

Break the glass, bring bags of ice, call animal control, report animal cruelty? 


And how are you going to do that when you are on a bus, out in the middle of nowhere?  You might note that they called ahead for the paramedics to be ready.  What else would you expect them to do?

 


'Life flight' her, of course, with an Army helicopter that was readily available.


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

DESTROYING WATER LEFT OUT IN THE DESERT BY VOLUNTEERS - FOR PEOPLE  - LIKE THIS 7 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO DIED OF DEHYDRATION

 

 


According to media reports this group of 163 illegals was apprehended in the vicinity of the Antelope Wells Port of Entry close to the border.  And the group had access to water, food and restrooms.  So how can you say that she didn't have access to water?  Or that she died of dehydration?

 

Have you actually researched the details surrounding her death?

 

If a parent in this country would have exposed one of their children to hazardous conditions like this father did, they would lock them up and terminate parental rights.


You might want to check your own facts - there are homeless starving children in the custody of their parents all over this Country -

 

So far we dont lock American people up for being poor uneducated or just plain stupid

 

As far as your other sarcastic accusations - I do far more research than most on this site

 

Obviously I am limited in the sources I can draw upon since Im in NH & TRUMPS CULTURE OF CRUELTY is happening on our Southwest Border so I frame my commentary mostly based on news reports

 

News Reports have this girl presenting at Antelope Wells which appears to be a Legal US Port of Entry

 

She was housed there for several hours if not a entire day 24 hours

 

News reports also state that many of these people like this 7 year old girl are victims - "metering" - metering is a Trump policy whereby the Southern Border even the legal ports of entry are closed off  - closed off where sometimes only one or two people a day are being allowed to enter & seek asylum

 

There are thousands of people backed up on the Mexican side waiting to apply for asylum

 

This makes people move & it makes them move to remote places like Antelope Wells - where this 7 year old girl along with her group of 200 others attempted to seek asylum

 

Remote outposts like Antelope Wells are purposefully understaffed - lacking medical Professionals and or facilities

 

This girl according to reports became violently I'll before boarding the Bus to a larger facility - the US Personnel knew she was sick but determined the 90 minute bus ride was the only way to get her to a larger facility with better medical care

 

This is interesting - after arriving at the larger facility she was then Medivaced to a hospital

 

QUESTION - we supposedly moved 7500 US Soldiers to the Border - there were no Medical Personnel in that 7500 man unit - No Helicopters to take her from Antelope Wells but there was a helicopter a 90 minute bus ride away????

 

How long does it take a Army Helicopter to fly less than 60 Miles - 15 Minutes Max?

 

This is pretty cut & dried for anyone not under the influence of the Trump Spell

 

Here is the last piece of information to show what a Culture of Cruelty Trump is operating at the Border - when someone dies in US CBP Custody - a detailed report is supposed to be generated to the Judiciary & Intel Committees in the House within 24 hours - the House has still not received any such report - again today is th he 14th - the girl died on the 6th


Very good and factual points Mickstuder.

 

Trump's reaction to this is "let this be a warning to those wanting to immigrate to America".  Trump instead should have reacted by saying what we can learn form this, how we can change to prevent this from happening again. On the news this morning workers for the border patrol said that they are not equipped to  handle families, they are equipped to handle single males. This obviously needs to change, the only it would take to build a wall would more than pay for the changes needed. 

 

I also noticed a conservative using the "patriotism" excuse to keep supporting what we now do that resulted in this child's death. Disgusting.


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Jakelin Amei Rosmery Caal Maquin's death at the Mexico border is our fault, not her father's

 

A child is dead and the Trump administration has shown no remorse. Instead, it deflected responsibility with cheap political talking points.

 

A seven-year-old Guatemalan girl named Jakelin Amei Rosmery Caal Maquin died last week in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and the Trump administration has chosen to blame the victim and her father for the death.

 

This is the nation Trump has created: A country that continues to dehumanize and criminalize Central American migrants without any sense of compassion or explanation for the root causes of why people are fleeing their countries in the first place.

 

Jakelin died from cardiac arrest caused by severe dehydration and shock a day after she and her father turned themselves in to CBP on the U.S.-Mexico border in New Mexico.

 

But according to the Trump administration, her death was her fault, and it was her dad’s fault — even though government officials confirmed that, after being held for several hours in a remote CBP station, Jakelin was put on a bus for 90 minutes to be transferred to a larger border station for processing before getting any emergency medical care for her symptoms, which included vomiting.

 

By the time the bus stopped, so had her breathing.

 

A child is dead and the current administration shows no remorse. Instead, just deflections about responsibility and cheap political talking points.

 

Never mind that “immediate care” didn’t really apply to Jakelin’s situation: The place where she and her father turned themselves into CBP had no medical care providers and, as the secretary noted, wasn't staffed to handle the 163 people who arrived that day.

 

And the idea that Border Patrol is some welcoming force when migrants surrender themselves to the agency is just not true.

 

For years, those who report on immigration enforcement know that detention conditions and methods along the U.S.-Mexico border have been poor.

 

 

Photos of the Anetlope Wells border station where Jakelin was held were made public by CBP, and these photos would suggest that conditions were not at all ideal: They essentially show an enclosed loading dock, filled with people. We may never know what they were actually like at the time she was held.

 

 

Trump Policy Kills 7 year old.png

 

 

 

 

Source - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jakelin-amei-rosmery-caal-maquin-s-death-mexico-border-our-ncn...

 

 

 

 

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RK poated..

How does that long and colorful rant relate to the wild claim about "now killing immigrants"? The Wapo didn't say that.



And, as always - "Fox"????

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No - I said that & once the Democrats in the House Investigate - most reasonable people will agree - this was Murder & it will be added to all the other High Crimes & Misdemeanors Trump will be convicted of

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Mick...Reasonable people do not try to blame Trump for everything...like you do...day after day with threads that are not true.

Using your logic (sic) FDR would have been convicted for locking up Japanese that were US Citizens during WW2. Remember that? I do.

Putin's treasonous Pup Pet Potus richly deserves the blame - no question about it.

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RK poated..

How does that long and colorful rant relate to the wild claim about "now killing immigrants"? The Wapo didn't say that.



And, as always - "Fox"????

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Mick posted...

No - I said that & once the Democrats in the House Investigate - most reasonable people will agree - this was Murder & it will be added to all the other High Crimes & Misdemeanors Trump will be convicted of

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Mick...Reasonable people do not try to blame Trump for everything...like you do...day after day with threads that are not true.

Using your logic (sic) FDR would have been convicted for locking up Japanese that were US Citizens during WW2. Remember that? I do.
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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

This US Representative Knows What It's Like To Escape Violence & Poverty in Central America

She Did It!

 

A 7-year-old migrant girl from Guatemala died while in CBP custody after not receiving medical care for 90 minutes.

 

The Trump administration blames her father,

 

SHE went several days without 

food or water.

Shall we blame our government or our President???

 


Lets ask the Trump Cult a Hypothetical

 

Is there anything Trump could ever do or say that he or you would agree he was responsible for after the fact

 

 Can we agree that the President did not place her on that bus? I think it would be safe to do that without danger of being called a "Trump Cult" member.

 


The majority of honest, honorable, patriotic, humane and humanitarian American Citizens do NOT agree with your attempt to evade responsibility for your low-life, lying, treasonous leader's responsibility for the death of an innocent young child.

 

That he feels no responsibility is an aspect of his deeply flawed only semi-human character - something the majority of decent American Citizens find deeply reprehensible...

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No - I said that & once the Democrats in the House Investigate - most reasonable people will agree - this was Murder & it will be added to all the other High Crimes & Misdemeanors Trump will be convicted of

 

Did the President place her on the bus with insufficient food and water?

 

So, could you define the High Crime & Misdemeanor involved?

 

 


 

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