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The Berlin Wall Did Not Work - Thousands of People pentetrated both it's physical and human defenses



It also did not work because the Concept was Morally and Ethically Corrupt - just like Trump Walls



This Border Wall is also a wonderful example of Classic American Arrogance - Americans think if they build it - it will work and No One Else in the World is smart enough to circumvent it's purpose



Americans are simply humans and like all humans - where there is a Will they will find a Way
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So Mick you seem to say, if I read you correct is whats the use just let them in...everything will be fine...OMG!!!


Nope Never Said That or Anything Close

 

Simply Disagreeing with the Trump Culture of Cruelty at the Border

 

We can have Secure Borders - a Legitimate Immigration Process without putting the Lives of Innocent People in Danger

 

Immigrants are not our Enemy

 

Trump is our Enemy

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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@mickstuder wrote:

 

The Berlin Wall Did Not Work - Thousands of People pentetrated both it's physical and human defenses

It also did not work because the Concept was Morally and Ethically Corrupt - just like Trump Walls

This Border Wall is also a wonderful example of Classic American Arrogance - Americans think if they build it - it will work and No One Else in the World is smart enough to circumvent it's purpose

Americans are simply humans and like all humans - where there is a Will they will find a Way

 


The Berlin Wall worked because of the border guards who was authorized to kill.  Even at that from August 1961 when it was constructed until it came down it's estimated that 5,000 people escaped through other means.  That would average out to 178 per year.  Not that many considering the the total population of East Berlin.

 

The Berlin Wall is no comparison to any other.

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote: 

Americans are simply humans and like all humans - where there is a Will they will find a Way

 

It's good to see you off the fraudulent topic. Based on the above - are you in favor of secure borders? If so, how would you like to see them created?

 

 


 


The fraud is Trump - the topic is spot on.

 

We "secure" the borders by first removing the ILLEGAL status of hard working immigrants by giving all those with no violent crime convictions a Green Card, and putting their kids on a path to citizenship. Aid or abet new undocumented workers and they lose the green card and get deported.

 

Next we fine everyone employing the remaining criminal immigrants at least $10,000 per illegal, plus serious (over 1 year) jail time and give them 90 days to identify their illegals. Anything LESS for punishment of the employers will not outweigh the value of the uncomplaining slave labor they now enjoy from the undocumented workers they exploit.

 

Then as part of the deportation process, we determine if those illegals had been underpaid, and fine their employers for the back wages plus interest which we use to hire the transport back to their country of origin.

 

Now anyone who wants to slip across the border is free to do so with only the same enforcement we've gotten along with for decades, BUT they will NOT find a job and the "sea of 11 million illegals" the criminals can now "swim in undetected" is dried up - the honest people working here will turn in the crooks.

 

THEN we take the billions lil donny wnats to waste on his nincompoopery and install facial recognition and survalience TVs in every port of entry, public venue, government building, etc. and protect ourselves from the KNOWN terrorists who want to come her to harm us, not the poor brown people who want to come here and do the jobs we don't want.

 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The wall is your friend.


The - BERLIN WALL - The barrier included guard towers placed along large concrete walls,[4] accompanied by a wide area (later known as the "death strip") that contained anti-vehicle trenches, "fakir beds" and other defenses

 

The - BERLIN WALL - was only 27 Miles Long and was located inside a populated City

 

The - BERLIN WALL - was built in appox.1960 was taken down in approx. 1990

 

Even with all the Guards - Machine Guns - Barbed Wire - Concrete Barriers - over a 30 year Period - at least 10,000 people tried to get over under through the - BERLIN WALL

 

More than 5000 succeeded - Walls Do Not Work

 

Source - https://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/10/world/camor-east-berlin-wall-monument-cold-war-triumphs-tragedies...

 


The Berlin Wall didn't work and it was only, like you stated, 27 miles long. Yet, trump supporters suffering from blind hatred believe that a wall across our entire southern border (almost 2000 miles) will be "successful".     ?????????????


The Berlin Wall was 87 miles long - totally encircling West Berlin, was equipt with anti-personnel mines designed to maim and Stazi guards who would then watch the attempted escapee bleed to death, or shoot those who missed the mines. AND STILL IT FAILED TO HALT THE EXODUS FROM THE WORKERS PARADISE!

 

Only nincompoops and lovers of Trump think a 2000 mile long wall will do ANYTHING except waste billions of dollars and harm poor brown refugees, but those are the only things Der Trumper has managed to do (aside from commit dozens of felonies, hand $1.2 Trillion to Corporate Oligarchs, speed the destruction of our environment and ship 5000 more brave Americans off to be targets for Taliban nutjobs) since he slithered into the White House thanks to Putin rigging the election.


Do you really consider secure borders as no more than a way to "harm poor brown refugees"???

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May none of them ever feel the gut wrenching pain OF LOOSING A CHILD, no matter What, Where, How, When, or WHY. 


True. How do you feel about having such a death being used as no more than a partisan ploy?

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@mickstuder wrote: 

Americans are simply humans and like all humans - where there is a Will they will find a Way

 

It's good to see you off the fraudulent topic. Based on the above - are you in favor of secure borders? If so, how would you like to see them created?

 

 


 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

This US Representative Knows What It's Like To Escape Violence & Poverty in Central America

She Did It!

 

A 7-year-old migrant girl from Guatemala died while in CBP custody after not receiving medical care for 90 minutes.

 

The Trump administration blames her father,

 

SHE went several days without 

food or water.

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Shall we blame our government or our President???

 


Well, the way you all blamed Obama for everything, it seems like you would hold trump responsible.


Who blamed Obama for a child's death????

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I also noticed a conservative using the "patriotism" excuse to keep supporting what we now do that resulted in this child's death. Disgusting.

 

The child died because she was not provided sufficient food or water for a period of time. To make a partisan issue out of that is what is disgusting.


 

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Jakelin Amei Rosmery Caal Maquin's death at the Mexico border is our fault, not her father's

 

A child is dead and the Trump administration has shown no remorse. Instead, it deflected responsibility with cheap political talking points.

 

A seven-year-old Guatemalan girl named Jakelin Amei Rosmery Caal Maquin died last week in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and the Trump administration has chosen to blame the victim and her father for the death.

 

This is the nation Trump has created: A country that continues to dehumanize and criminalize Central American migrants without any sense of compassion or explanation for the root causes of why people are fleeing their countries in the first place.

 

Jakelin died from cardiac arrest caused by severe dehydration and shock a day after she and her father turned themselves in to CBP on the U.S.-Mexico border in New Mexico.

 

But according to the Trump administration, her death was her fault, and it was her dad’s fault — even though government officials confirmed that, after being held for several hours in a remote CBP station, Jakelin was put on a bus for 90 minutes to be transferred to a larger border station for processing before getting any emergency medical care for her symptoms, which included vomiting.

 

By the time the bus stopped, so had her breathing.

 

A child is dead and the current administration shows no remorse. Instead, just deflections about responsibility and cheap political talking points.

 

Never mind that “immediate care” didn’t really apply to Jakelin’s situation: The place where she and her father turned themselves into CBP had no medical care providers and, as the secretary noted, wasn't staffed to handle the 163 people who arrived that day.

 

And the idea that Border Patrol is some welcoming force when migrants surrender themselves to the agency is just not true.

 

For years, those who report on immigration enforcement know that detention conditions and methods along the U.S.-Mexico border have been poor.

 

 

Photos of the Anetlope Wells border station where Jakelin was held were made public by CBP, and these photos would suggest that conditions were not at all ideal: They essentially show an enclosed loading dock, filled with people. We may never know what they were actually like at the time she was held.

 

 

Trump Policy Kills 7 year old.png

 

 

 

 

Source - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jakelin-amei-rosmery-caal-maquin-s-death-mexico-border-our-ncn...

 

 

 First you BLAST a headline from an op/ed piece written by an activist who writes for "Latino Rebels" as if it had validity. Then you colorfully repeat his words. And then you show a holding area for people who are not legally in the country as if they are supposed to be detained in comfort.

 

Do you do all that because you really hate America or do you just let your hatred for our President take you into strange places?

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

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Seven-year-old girl who died at border did not receive medical care for 90 minutes

 

If a dog was locked in a hot car and in distress, perhaps dying from dehydration, what would we do?

 

Break the glass, bring bags of ice, call animal control, report animal cruelty? 


And how are you going to do that when you are on a bus, out in the middle of nowhere?  You might note that they called ahead for the paramedics to be ready.  What else would you expect them to do?

 


'Life flight' her, of course, with an Army helicopter that was readily available.


But that would require the troops on the ground would not know their CINC wanted refugees to die to discourage others from trying to come to America for a better life, unless they were Norwegian or Irish.

 

See, in any large organization like the Government, the one at the top sets the tone for all below, and the tone set by lil donny is one of stupidity, hate, violence, bigotry, xenophobia and incredible GREED.

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