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I hate to tell all but you are watching an International mob play out. Putin and Trump are part of that mob. This week connected a lot of the dots. Main item so far was Trump tower in Moscow Russia. The deal was finalized but the Russian bank was on the US banned list so Trump could not accept the money from them. The sanctions had to be lifted and so far you see Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, Russians who have been charged all working on that. Get Trump elected, Trump can build the Trump tower, and Putin gets his 50 million penthouse, plus a lot of Russian money gets laundered plus other payoffs. I am sure there is more than this but Muller will tell us the full story.


It may well be, failing to find the much heralded "Russian collusion" involving candidate Trump, that Mueller may have to investigate the business dealings of businessman Trump to justify his activities.

 

And it may work - after all, his mission is to "Get Trump by what ever means necessary".


You really do not understand any of this. Try rereading what I said. Trump was a candidate when a lot of this took place. You have no idea what Muller knows  about Russian Collusion, and neither do I or anyone else. All the signs point to Russian collusion and we will know for sure when the Muller report is completed. What we do see is more of the items covered in the Steel document proved true. So far none of them have been proved false. Could the golden shower be next.


It will be interesting to see Mueller get back to "Russian collusion" rather than porn stars, Playboy bunnies, NYC taxi medallions,  contracts with the Turkish government, etc. All of that preceded the Trump candidacy and, as such, does seem more like "Get Trump by any means necessary" than "Russian collusion" by the US President.


Muller never left Russian Collusion. All his indictments are related to that. The other indictments you refer to are from the Southern Dist. of NY as they are investigating Trump to along with about 5 other agencies. You really need to stop following your leaders on this, or just stick to their talking points.


In which indictment was russian collusion the issue?

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All of them.


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I hate to tell all but you are watching an International mob play out. Putin and Trump are part of that mob. This week connected a lot of the dots. Main item so far was Trump tower in Moscow Russia. The deal was finalized but the Russian bank was on the US banned list so Trump could not accept the money from them. The sanctions had to be lifted and so far you see Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, Russians who have been charged all working on that. Get Trump elected, Trump can build the Trump tower, and Putin gets his 50 million penthouse, plus a lot of Russian money gets laundered plus other payoffs. I am sure there is more than this but Muller will tell us the full story.


It may well be, failing to find the much heralded "Russian collusion" involving candidate Trump, that Mueller may have to investigate the business dealings of businessman Trump to justify his activities.

 

And it may work - after all, his mission is to "Get Trump by what ever means necessary".


Ah, the willful disbelief of the dedicated koolade addict.

EVERY conviction so far involves a Trump agent who had extensive dealings with Russians, mostly those in the FSB nee' KGB.

The evidence of Russian meddling on behalf of Der Trumper is indisputable. Only those willfully blind to reality pretend the Russians were acting on their own, or as implied above, working for President Obama. You have GOT to be kidding... talk about scrapping the underside of the bottom of the barrel of GOPerlies to continue the pretence of lil donny's innocence.


When a businessman deals with Russia, he deals with the people put forward. if they are FSB, so be it. When a President deals with Russia, he deals with the political leader. 

 

A very basic reality that gets overlooked so as to be able to type silliness about "koolade" or "GOPerlies

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jimc cut n' pasted with my Truth inserts:

Interviews with more than 50 witnesses in the Trump case and reviews of hundreds of pages of court filings confirm the following:

 

  • At least six people with long-established ties to the FBI or to U.S. and Western intelligence made entrees to key figures in the Trump business organization or his presidential campaign between March and October 2016; If this is alll in the public record NAME AT LEAST SIX. Else admit this is just some Joe McCarthy tactics so loved by GOPers Is it your point that the Hill writer lied?Yep
  • Campaign figures were contacted by at least two Russian figures whose justification for being in the United States were rare law enforcement parole visas controlled by the U.S. Justice Department; Lying about spies to get them into the country is a long established practice which we have tolerated (and used) for generations. We KNEW Natalia Veselnitskaya was KGB/FSB and she admitted it. You seem to be accepting of the Obama Administration believing the lies to let her in but fault the campaign for not challenging them. The Obama people KNEW she was KGB, as did Trump and his staff. She was admitted because she qualified for the Visa. She was used to arrange for Russia to rig the election because that's what Der Trumper hired them to do.
  • Intelligence or diplomatic figures connected to two of America’s closest allies, Britain and Australia, gathered intelligence or instigated contacts with Trump campaign figures during that same period; George Papadopoulos, a high ranking Trump acvisor, got drunk in a London bar and told the Australian Ambasador Trump had gotten help from Russia to smear Hillary. The Ambasador told his intelligence people who shared it with the Brits who told the CIA. Not really high ranking. But know he didn't say that. He said that he heard that the Russians had such information. The more interesting issue is why was he told that by Stefen Halper? There is your "plot".Only "high ranking" people sit next to the Boss (Trump) during meetings, and next to Trump is where he sat.  Had you attended such meetings, you'd know this. The dirt was delivered by the Russians to Trump's campaign, guess you want people to think the Russians did it our of their love of Trump. Halper is a life-long Republican, amazing Trump needs to slander him to save his own orange tush.
  • Some of the conversations and contacts that were monitored occurred on foreign soil and resulted in the creation of transcripts; See above. When honest government workers or private investigators hear about Treason, they take notes and share them with the authorities. Fine, did the authorities investigate Halper. After all, he was the originator of the story, not Papadopoulos.No, he was not. Do you really think people are going to believe a long time informant for the CIA who worked for several Republcian Presidents would NOT have been investigated inside and out? Or is that the only way you can pretend the use of Papadopoulos statements to begin an investigation is somehow flawed?
  • Nearly all of the contacts involved the same overture — a discussion about possible political dirt or stolen emails harmful to Hillary Clinton, or unsolicited business in London or Moscow; True - NONE of them was about adoptions, ALL involved getting Russia to help smear Hillary or promote Trump Realestate scams that were thinly disguised bribes to Putin. Yes, he offered dirt, they offered to listen - problem?? All true 'til your made up "bribes" part. Again you want people to believe Russia provided all that help to Trump out of the goodness of their hearts. Good luck with that.
  • Several of the contacts occurred before the FBI formally launched a legally authorized probe into the Trump campaign and possible collusion on July 31, 2016. Trump wishes the FBI would ONLY investigate his nefarious dealings AFTER they launch a formal probe into his filth. Not sure how GOPers think the FBI should obtain information on criminal activities if they can't investigate based on information they receive from other intelligence services WITHOUT a "legally authorized probe". And now it all falls apart with the mind reading claims. Once again, all you have to do is read Trump's ramblings to know what he's thinking, no clairvoyance required. What is "all falling apart" is the Trump Presidency.
 

 




@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

jimc cut n' pasted with my Truth inserts:

Interviews with more than 50 witnesses in the Trump case and reviews of hundreds of pages of court filings confirm the following:

 

  • At least six people with long-established ties to the FBI or to U.S. and Western intelligence made entrees to key figures in the Trump business organization or his presidential campaign between March and October 2016; If this is alll in the public record NAME AT LEAST SIX. Else admit this is just some Joe McCarthy tactics so loved by GOPers Is it your point that the Hill writer lied?
  • Campaign figures were contacted by at least two Russian figures whose justification for being in the United States were rare law enforcement parole visas controlled by the U.S. Justice Department; Lying about spies to get them into the country is a long established practice which we have tolerated (and used) for generations. We KNEW Natalia Veselnitskaya was KGB/FSB and she admitted it. You seem to be accepting of the Obama Administration believing the lies to let her in but fault the campaign for not challenging them.
  • Intelligence or diplomatic figures connected to two of America’s closest allies, Britain and Australia, gathered intelligence or instigated contacts with Trump campaign figures during that same period; George Papadopoulos, a high ranking Trump acvisor, got drunk in a London bar and told the Australian Ambasador Trump had gotten help from Russia to smear Hillary. The Ambasador told his intelligence people who shared it with the Brits who told the CIA. Not really high ranking. But know he didn't say that. He said that he heard that the Russians had such information. The more interesting issue is why was he told that by Stefen Halper? There is your "plot".
  • Some of the conversations and contacts that were monitored occurred on foreign soil and resulted in the creation of transcripts; See above. When honest government workers or private investigators hear about Treason, they take notes and share them with the authorities. Fine, did the authorities investigate Halper. After all, he was the originator of the story, not Papadopoulos.
  • Nearly all of the contacts involved the same overture — a discussion about possible political dirt or stolen emails harmful to Hillary Clinton, or unsolicited business in London or Moscow; True - NONE of them was about adoptions, ALL involved getting Russia to help smear Hillary or promote Trump Realestate scams that were thinly disguised bribes to Putin. Yes, he offered dirt, they offered to listen - problem?? All true 'til your made up "bribes" part.
  • Several of the contacts occurred before the FBI formally launched a legally authorized probe into the Trump campaign and possible collusion on July 31, 2016. Trump wishes the FBI would ONLY investigate his nefarious dealings AFTER they lauanch a formal probe into his filth. Not sure how GOPers think the FBI should obtain information on criminal activities if they can't investigate based on information they receive from other intelligence services WITHOUT a "legally authorized probe". And now it all falls apart with the mind reading claims.
 

 



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@john258 wrote:

I hate to tell all but you are watching an International mob play out. Putin and Trump are part of that mob. This week connected a lot of the dots. Main item so far was Trump tower in Moscow Russia. The deal was finalized but the Russian bank was on the US banned list so Trump could not accept the money from them. The sanctions had to be lifted and so far you see Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, Russians who have been charged all working on that. Get Trump elected, Trump can build the Trump tower, and Putin gets his 50 million penthouse, plus a lot of Russian money gets laundered plus other payoffs. I am sure there is more than this but Muller will tell us the full story.


It may well be, failing to find the much heralded "Russian collusion" involving candidate Trump, that Mueller may have to investigate the business dealings of businessman Trump to justify his activities.

 

And it may work - after all, his mission is to "Get Trump by what ever means necessary".


Ah, the willful disbelief of the dedicated koolade addict.

EVERY conviction so far involves a Trump agent who had extensive dealings with Russians, mostly those in the FSB nee' KGB.

The evidence of Russian meddling on behalf of Der Trumper is indisputable. Only those willfully blind to reality pretend the Russians were acting on their own, or as implied above, working for President Obama. You have GOT to be kidding... talk about scrapping the underside of the bottom of the barrel of GOPerlies to continue the pretence of lil donny's innocence.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

jimc cut n' pasted with my Truth inserts:

Interviews with more than 50 witnesses in the Trump case and reviews of hundreds of pages of court filings confirm the following:

 

  • At least six people with long-established ties to the FBI or to U.S. and Western intelligence made entrees to key figures in the Trump business organization or his presidential campaign between March and October 2016; If this is alll in the public record NAME AT LEAST SIX. Else admit this is just some Joe McCarthy tactics so loved by GOPers Is it your point that the Hill writer lied?Yep
  • Campaign figures were contacted by at least two Russian figures whose justification for being in the United States were rare law enforcement parole visas controlled by the U.S. Justice Department; Lying about spies to get them into the country is a long established practice which we have tolerated (and used) for generations. We KNEW Natalia Veselnitskaya was KGB/FSB and she admitted it. You seem to be accepting of the Obama Administration believing the lies to let her in but fault the campaign for not challenging them. The Obama people KNEW she was KGB, as did Trump and his staff. She was admitted because she qualified for the Visa. She was used to arrange for Russia to rig the election because that's what Der Trumper hired them to do.
  • Intelligence or diplomatic figures connected to two of America’s closest allies, Britain and Australia, gathered intelligence or instigated contacts with Trump campaign figures during that same period; George Papadopoulos, a high ranking Trump acvisor, got drunk in a London bar and told the Australian Ambasador Trump had gotten help from Russia to smear Hillary. The Ambasador told his intelligence people who shared it with the Brits who told the CIA. Not really high ranking. But know he didn't say that. He said that he heard that the Russians had such information. The more interesting issue is why was he told that by Stefen Halper? There is your "plot".Only "high ranking" people sit next to the Boss (Trump) during meetings, and next to Trump is where he sat.  Had you attended such meetings, you'd know this. The dirt was delivered by the Russians to Trump's campaign, guess you want people to think the Russians did it our of their love of Trump. Halper is a life-long Republican, amazing Trump needs to slander him to save his own orange tush.
  • Some of the conversations and contacts that were monitored occurred on foreign soil and resulted in the creation of transcripts; See above. When honest government workers or private investigators hear about Treason, they take notes and share them with the authorities. Fine, did the authorities investigate Halper. After all, he was the originator of the story, not Papadopoulos.No, he was not. Do you really think people are going to believe a long time informant for the CIA who worked for several Republcian Presidents would NOT have been investigated inside and out? Or is that the only way you can pretend the use of Papadopoulos statements to begin an investigation is somehow flawed?
  • Nearly all of the contacts involved the same overture — a discussion about possible political dirt or stolen emails harmful to Hillary Clinton, or unsolicited business in London or Moscow; True - NONE of them was about adoptions, ALL involved getting Russia to help smear Hillary or promote Trump Realestate scams that were thinly disguised bribes to Putin. Yes, he offered dirt, they offered to listen - problem?? All true 'til your made up "bribes" part. Again you want people to believe Russia provided all that help to Trump out of the goodness of their hearts. Good luck with that.
  • Several of the contacts occurred before the FBI formally launched a legally authorized probe into the Trump campaign and possible collusion on July 31, 2016. Trump wishes the FBI would ONLY investigate his nefarious dealings AFTER they launch a formal probe into his filth. Not sure how GOPers think the FBI should obtain information on criminal activities if they can't investigate based on information they receive from other intelligence services WITHOUT a "legally authorized probe". And now it all falls apart with the mind reading claims. Once again, all you have to do is read Trump's ramblings to know what he's thinking, no clairvoyance required. What is "all falling apart" is the Trump Presidency.
 

 




@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

jimc cut n' pasted with my Truth inserts:

Interviews with more than 50 witnesses in the Trump case and reviews of hundreds of pages of court filings confirm the following:

 

  • At least six people with long-established ties to the FBI or to U.S. and Western intelligence made entrees to key figures in the Trump business organization or his presidential campaign between March and October 2016; If this is alll in the public record NAME AT LEAST SIX. Else admit this is just some Joe McCarthy tactics so loved by GOPers Is it your point that the Hill writer lied?
  • Campaign figures were contacted by at least two Russian figures whose justification for being in the United States were rare law enforcement parole visas controlled by the U.S. Justice Department; Lying about spies to get them into the country is a long established practice which we have tolerated (and used) for generations. We KNEW Natalia Veselnitskaya was KGB/FSB and she admitted it. You seem to be accepting of the Obama Administration believing the lies to let her in but fault the campaign for not challenging them.
  • Intelligence or diplomatic figures connected to two of America’s closest allies, Britain and Australia, gathered intelligence or instigated contacts with Trump campaign figures during that same period; George Papadopoulos, a high ranking Trump acvisor, got drunk in a London bar and told the Australian Ambasador Trump had gotten help from Russia to smear Hillary. The Ambasador told his intelligence people who shared it with the Brits who told the CIA. Not really high ranking. But know he didn't say that. He said that he heard that the Russians had such information. The more interesting issue is why was he told that by Stefen Halper? There is your "plot".
  • Some of the conversations and contacts that were monitored occurred on foreign soil and resulted in the creation of transcripts; See above. When honest government workers or private investigators hear about Treason, they take notes and share them with the authorities. Fine, did the authorities investigate Halper. After all, he was the originator of the story, not Papadopoulos.
  • Nearly all of the contacts involved the same overture — a discussion about possible political dirt or stolen emails harmful to Hillary Clinton, or unsolicited business in London or Moscow; True - NONE of them was about adoptions, ALL involved getting Russia to help smear Hillary or promote Trump Realestate scams that were thinly disguised bribes to Putin. Yes, he offered dirt, they offered to listen - problem?? All true 'til your made up "bribes" part.
  • Several of the contacts occurred before the FBI formally launched a legally authorized probe into the Trump campaign and possible collusion on July 31, 2016. Trump wishes the FBI would ONLY investigate his nefarious dealings AFTER they lauanch a formal probe into his filth. Not sure how GOPers think the FBI should obtain information on criminal activities if they can't investigate based on information they receive from other intelligence services WITHOUT a "legally authorized probe". And now it all falls apart with the mind reading claims.
 

 


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I hate to tell all but you are watching an International mob play out. Putin and Trump are part of that mob. This week connected a lot of the dots. Main item so far was Trump tower in Moscow Russia. The deal was finalized but the Russian bank was on the US banned list so Trump could not accept the money from them. The sanctions had to be lifted and so far you see Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, Russians who have been charged all working on that. Get Trump elected, Trump can build the Trump tower, and Putin gets his 50 million penthouse, plus a lot of Russian money gets laundered plus other payoffs. I am sure there is more than this but Muller will tell us the full story.


It may well be, failing to find the much heralded "Russian collusion" involving candidate Trump, that Mueller may have to investigate the business dealings of businessman Trump to justify his activities.

 

And it may work - after all, his mission is to "Get Trump by what ever means necessary".


You really do not understand any of this. Try rereading what I said. Trump was a candidate when a lot of this took place. You have no idea what Muller knows  about Russian Collusion, and neither do I or anyone else. All the signs point to Russian collusion and we will know for sure when the Muller report is completed. What we do see is more of the items covered in the Steel document proved true. So far none of them have been proved false. Could the golden shower be next.


It will be interesting to see Mueller get back to "Russian collusion" rather than porn stars, Playboy bunnies, NYC taxi medallions,  contracts with the Turkish government, etc. All of that preceded the Trump candidacy and, as such, does seem more like "Get Trump by any means necessary" than "Russian collusion" by the US President.


Muller never left Russian Collusion. All his indictments are related to that. The other indictments you refer to are from the Southern Dist. of NY as they are investigating Trump to along with about 5 other agencies. You really need to stop following your leaders on this, or just stick to their talking points.


In which indictment was russian collusion the issue?

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@rk9152 wrote:

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I hate to tell all but you are watching an International mob play out. Putin and Trump are part of that mob. This week connected a lot of the dots. Main item so far was Trump tower in Moscow Russia. The deal was finalized but the Russian bank was on the US banned list so Trump could not accept the money from them. The sanctions had to be lifted and so far you see Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, Russians who have been charged all working on that. Get Trump elected, Trump can build the Trump tower, and Putin gets his 50 million penthouse, plus a lot of Russian money gets laundered plus other payoffs. I am sure there is more than this but Muller will tell us the full story.


It may well be, failing to find the much heralded "Russian collusion" involving candidate Trump, that Mueller may have to investigate the business dealings of businessman Trump to justify his activities.

 

And it may work - after all, his mission is to "Get Trump by what ever means necessary".


You really do not understand any of this. Try rereading what I said. Trump was a candidate when a lot of this took place. You have no idea what Muller knows  about Russian Collusion, and neither do I or anyone else. All the signs point to Russian collusion and we will know for sure when the Muller report is completed. What we do see is more of the items covered in the Steel document proved true. So far none of them have been proved false. Could the golden shower be next.


It will be interesting to see Mueller get back to "Russian collusion" rather than porn stars, Playboy bunnies, NYC taxi medallions,  contracts with the Turkish government, etc. All of that preceded the Trump candidacy and, as such, does seem more like "Get Trump by any means necessary" than "Russian collusion" by the US President.


Muller never left Russian Collusion. All his indictments are related to that. The other indictments you refer to are from the Southern Dist. of NY as they are investigating Trump to along with about 5 other agencies. You really need to stop following your leaders on this, or just stick to their talking points.

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RK will say anything to avoid acknowledging his idol and hero in the White House surrounds himself with an array of criminals and soon to be convicted felons. RK will change the subject as often as he can as opposed to addressing what's obvious to those who are not in the cult.


So you guys are now into a game of "Did so....did not"? The topic is Trump's association with the Russians and the mob.  From what we are learning about the residents of Trump Tower, I would say they both own a piece of him. 

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RK will say anything to avoid acknowledging his idol and hero in the White House surrounds himself with an array of criminals and soon to be convicted felons. RK will change the subject as often as he can as opposed to addressing what's obvious to those who are not in the cult.


And yet here is ct changing the topic to rk.

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