Trump Offers A 'Dreamers' Deal For Border-Money Proposal

[ManicProgressive]

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Don't tell Fishslayer, but the Dems in the House already passed bills to reopen the government, but Mitch McConnel would NOT allow a vote on their bill in the Senate. What does that say about democracy and who's really to blame for keeping the governent closed?

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[CriticalThinking]

Don't tell Fishslayer, but the Dems in the House already passed bills to reopen the government, but Mitch McConnel would NOT allow a vote on their bill in the Senate. What does that say about democracy and who's really to blame for keeping the governent closed?

[Fishslayer777]

So ... there's supposed to be a Senate vote on Wednesday. Hmmmm... this could let all those politicians save face, end the shutdown and put the issue in Pelosi's court.

[Fishslayer777]

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Olderscout66

So when are you moving to Europe?  And what does that have to do with the topic?

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How 'bout a go (to EU) fund me page. 

[NOTHAPPENING]

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

Border Patrol should know,  right? So why aren’t they doing what the GAO asked them to do?  It’s not as simple as just building a wall.

There are existing walls. There are different kinds of walls. Different kinds of walls have advantages and disadvantages.  Some are easily breached. Some require a ton of costly maintenance. Some make it safer for agents because they are see-through and they can see who is hiding on the other side.  

So the GAO asked the Border Patrol to develop metrics about how different walls help them do their jobs successfully. Still waiting.  Why don’t we wait to fund MORE until we see exactly what works and what doesn’t? 

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/682838.pdf

“Border fencing is intended to benefit border security operations in various ways, according to officials from the U.S. Border Patrol (Border Patrol), which is within the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). For example, according to officials, border fencing supports Border Patrol agents’ ability to execute essential tasks, such as identifying illicit- cross border activities. CBP collects data that could help provide insight into how border fencing contributes to border security operations, including the location of illegal entries. However, CBP has not developed metrics that systematically use these, among other data it collects, to assess the contributions of border fencing to its mission. For example, CBP could potentially use these data to determine the extent to which border fencing diverts illegal entrants into more rural and remote environments, and border fencing’s impact, if any, on apprehension rates over time. Developing metrics to assess the contributions of fencing to border security operations could better position CBP to make resource allocation decisions with the best information available to inform competing mission priorities and investments.”

Image of different wall types and breaches.

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Maybe we can just forward the request to Mueller and have him report on it in 2050 when he completes the witch hunt?

[ManicProgressive]

Border Patrol should know,  right? So why aren’t they doing what the GAO asked them to do?  It’s not as simple as just building a wall.

There are existing walls. There are different kinds of walls. Different kinds of walls have advantages and disadvantages.  Some are easily breached. Some require a ton of costly maintenance. Some make it safer for agents because they are see-through and they can see who is hiding on the other side.  

So the GAO asked the Border Patrol to develop metrics about how different walls help them do their jobs successfully. Still waiting.  Why don’t we wait to fund MORE until we see exactly what works and what doesn’t? 

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/682838.pdf

“Border fencing is intended to benefit border security operations in various ways, according to officials from the U.S. Border Patrol (Border Patrol), which is within the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). For example, according to officials, border fencing supports Border Patrol agents’ ability to execute essential tasks, such as identifying illicit- cross border activities. CBP collects data that could help provide insight into how border fencing contributes to border security operations, including the location of illegal entries. However, CBP has not developed metrics that systematically use these, among other data it collects, to assess the contributions of border fencing to its mission. For example, CBP could potentially use these data to determine the extent to which border fencing diverts illegal entrants into more rural and remote environments, and border fencing’s impact, if any, on apprehension rates over time. Developing metrics to assess the contributions of fencing to border security operations could better position CBP to make resource allocation decisions with the best information available to inform competing mission priorities and investments.”

Image of different wall types and breaches.

[NOTHAPPENING]

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
rker posted..

"stupid wall"

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FYI Wall have and are working...it sounds like you are getting your misinformation from the Ms Pelosi and MSNBC.

There are areas of our southern border without walls that illegals are coming through many with children. We need more walls and Pelosi and Schumer were for walls before Trump...not had for anyone with the ability to think that its about the hate for Trump and to hxxx with keeping our country safe and also keeping the illegals from dying in our desserts.

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High tech technology would secure our borders today in a far more effective way than a WALL.

Continuing to use the "dying in the desert" rant accomplishes nothing. Time would be far better spent educating one's self on the technology available today that could be used for border security.

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So the left knows (again) the solution for illegal immigration better than the border control agents?

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So the left has been listening to the experts on border security and not those who have no idea what they are talking about.

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So, I suppose the left is listening to their go to guru on border security - Nancy and Chucky and NOT the border control agents?

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Pelosi a d Schumer are not experts on border security and have never claimed to be but they are intelligent enough to listen to the real experts unlike Trump.

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I think you really meant Pelosi and Schumer are not experts on border security and are listening to the left wing radicals that want chaos at the southern border and the influx of illegals will help (the Democrats) also at the polling places that don't check id and are sanctuary cities/states.

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No, I really meant exactly what I said.

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If you meant exactly what you said, Trump IS listening to "experts" unlike Nancy and Chucky.  Trump is listening to Border Agents while Nancy and Chucky are listening to left wing drivel and the bias left wing media. Who do you think is more knowledgeable about border security?

[TxGrandpa2]

@Olderscout66

So when are you moving to Europe?  And what does that have to do with the topic?

[Snoopy48]

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
rker posted..

"stupid wall"

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FYI Wall have and are working...it sounds like you are getting your misinformation from the Ms Pelosi and MSNBC.

There are areas of our southern border without walls that illegals are coming through many with children. We need more walls and Pelosi and Schumer were for walls before Trump...not had for anyone with the ability to think that its about the hate for Trump and to hxxx with keeping our country safe and also keeping the illegals from dying in our desserts.

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High tech technology would secure our borders today in a far more effective way than a WALL.

Continuing to use the "dying in the desert" rant accomplishes nothing. Time would be far better spent educating one's self on the technology available today that could be used for border security.

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So the left knows (again) the solution for illegal immigration better than the border control agents?

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So the left has been listening to the experts on border security and not those who have no idea what they are talking about.

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So, I suppose the left is listening to their go to guru on border security - Nancy and Chucky and NOT the border control agents?

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Pelosi a d Schumer are not experts on border security and have never claimed to be but they are intelligent enough to listen to the real experts unlike Trump.

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I think you really meant Pelosi and Schumer are not experts on border security and are listening to the left wing radicals that want chaos at the southern border and the influx of illegals will help (the Democrats) also at the polling places that don't check id and are sanctuary cities/states.

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No, I really meant exactly what I said.

[Soosie]

Do you really think she reads our posts?.......................I have wondered if some posters really believe they have a large audience. Especially when I see, "We should or we ought to". It is as if they think they really have the means and authority to do this. It is downright funny at times.