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US firm to put 3D-printed gun designs back online, sparking fears After State Department allows blueprints to be posted, senator asks Pompeo to reconsider, saying it could end up putting rifles in the hands of Hamas

 

“When you think about all the rhetoric we here in our nation about tightening our borders and homeland security, and now we’re going to put out there for anyone who wants a recipe for how to overcome … TSA airport screenings or any other metal detector,” said Rick Myers, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Association. “It’s absolutely insane.”

 

The State Department decision came amid an obscure administrative change — begun under the Obama administration — in how the weapons are regulated and administered.

 

Military grade weapons remain under the purview of the State Department, while commercially available firearms fall under the Commerce Department. The settlement with Wilson determined that 3D-printed firearms are akin to more traditional firearms that aren’t subject to ITAR, or International Traffic in Arms Regulations, overseen by State.

 

After spending years fighting the federal government for the right to do so, a Texas company has been given the green light to post blueprints online showing people how to make 3D-printed guns from the comfort of their home.

 

Gun safety advocates and some law enforcement officials are appalled, worried that this is exactly what criminals and terrorists want: guns that can’t be flagged by metal detectors, don’t have serial numbers to trace, and don’t require the usual background checks.

They guns look futuristic, the type of firearms that would-be assassins use in movies: 3D-printed of a hard plastic that is simple to assemble, easy to conceal and tough to trace.

 

The issue was raised Wednesday during a meeting of Senate Foreign Relations Committee when Senator Edward Markey, a Democrat of Massachusetts, appealed to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to rethink the permit, noting the abilities it would give terror groups like Hamas.

 

“I don’t think we really want to be in a world where Hamas in the Gaza has an ability to downloaded a capacity for an AR-15 that could endanger security in that region and the same thing could happen around the world,” Markey said, referring to a US-designed semiautomatic rile.

 

He said allowing the plan to go online would have “long-term national security and domestic security considerations for our country.”

 

Even without the 3D-printed guns, Israeli authorities say they have been battling to crack down on the spread of makeshift guns manufactured in the West Bank, several of which have been used in deadly attacks.

 

Source - https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-firm-to-put-3d-printed-gun-designs-back-online-sparking-fears/

 

 


So much for our personal safety - those metal detectors in airports and schools are now USELESS thanks the the NRAGOP. The Fundies will continue to prevent use of the X-ray machines that might let somebody see their soul-less bodies, so that leaves random strip searches??? Der Trumper could get behind that, provided he got to watch, just like at the teen beauty pagaent dressing rooms he used to stalk.

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Trump OK's Printing of 3D Guns at home

I did not see Trump addressing that. Do you have a link doing so?
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Was it those Pro Gun Far Left Hippie Liberals again to blame ?

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How about this... Why in the word  would a Texas Company put these instructions on the net? Nancy 

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Try this on for size

 

States seek to block instructions for making plastic guns

 

 


And of course Wilson and his company are escalating uploading the program and instructions, beating the deadline of August 1 in order to meet that threat.  Once the information is on the internet it is in the public domain and all the lawsuits in the world is useless.

 

In any event this is putting up a gate after the horses got out.  He has already posted the instructions back in 2013 and it has been downloaded over 100,000 times.  And being electronic media, no telling how many copies has been made of those downloads.

 

But the laws are just like swatting flies, if anyone wants a firearm, there are plenty of mavericks floating around that a person shouldn't have to go through the trouble of finding a printer to make one.  Those printers are not cheap.

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Mickstuder 

I saw on NJ News tonight,  NJ has filed a lawsuit on this matter.  Nancy 

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The Government in this Case is Trump in the Form of the Justice Department - Trump instructed the Justice Department to withdraw their complaint as it has instructed the Justice Department to do on multipile Lawsuits concerning everything from Immigration to the Environment to Enforcing Russian Sanctions on ZTE............

 

 

 

 


Of course this has nothing to do with Russia or those other situations.  But of course the liberal thing to do is to throw in his name to get one's ticket punched here for liberal standing.

 

You might have noticed that the lawsuit was filed against against the Obama State Department, and who was Secretary of State over that period of time.  No, Trump didn't instruct the State Department or Justice Department to drop the lawsuit, he probably hadn't even heard about it, but they did because they were losing and took the best way out.

 

You did read this from the article didn't you:

 

Wilson and his team of lawyers focused their legal argument on a free speech claim: They pointed out that by forbidding Wilson from posting his 3-D-printable data, the State Department was not only violating his right to bear arms but his right to freely share information. By blurring the line between a gun and a digital file, Wilson had also successfully blurred the lines between the Second Amendment and the First.

"If code is speech, the constitutional contradictions are evident," Wilson explained to WIRED when he first launched the lawsuit in 2015. "So what if this code is a gun?

 

The rest of your post is immaterial to this.


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States seek to block instructions for making plastic guns

 
The guns, which fire conventional bullets, could never be traced if used in a crime, because there's no serial number.
 

WASHINGTON — Nearly half the states joined a series of efforts Monday to block a Texas man from offering instructions online for making plastic guns using 3-D printers.

 

"These downloadable guns are unregistered and very difficult to detect, even with metal detectors, and will be available to anyone regardless of age, mental health, or criminal history," said Bob Ferguson, Washington's attorney general.

 
 His counterparts from Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Pennsylvania joined in preparing to file a lawsuit in federal court, seeking to stop the website from making the instructions available.
 

Cody Wilson of Austin began posting the directions over the weekend, after the federal government dropped its opposition and settled a lawsuit that prevented him from making the files available for download. When fed to a 3-D printer, they allow a user to make the parts necessary for assembling fully functioning handguns or rifles.

 

Under the Obama administration, the State Department sued Wilson, saying his plans would violate laws against exporting firearms technology by putting the instructions into the hands of hostile forces or terrorists.

 

He sued, claiming a violation of his right of free expression but federal courts ruled against him. But then in June the Trump administration abruptly reversed course and concluded that rules limiting exports of weapons of war don't apply to Wilson's guns after all.

 

"To say they caved would be an understatement," Ferguson said.

 

Source in the above post

 

 

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The Government in this Case is Trump in the Form of the Justice Department - Trump instructed the Justice Department to withdraw their complaint as it has instructed the Justice Department to do on multipile Lawsuits concerning everything from Immigration to the Environment to Enforcing Russian Sanctions on ZTE............

 

 

 

 


Of course this has nothing to do with Russia or those other situations.  But of course the liberal thing to do is to throw in his name to get one's ticket punched here for liberal standing.

 

You might have noticed that the lawsuit was filed against against the Obama State Department, and who was Secretary of State over that period of time.  No, Trump didn't instruct the State Department or Justice Department to drop the lawsuit, he probably hadn't even heard about it, but they did because they were losing and took the best way out.

 

You did read this from the article didn't you:

 

Wilson and his team of lawyers focused their legal argument on a free speech claim: They pointed out that by forbidding Wilson from posting his 3-D-printable data, the State Department was not only violating his right to bear arms but his right to freely share information. By blurring the line between a gun and a digital file, Wilson had also successfully blurred the lines between the Second Amendment and the First.

"If code is speech, the constitutional contradictions are evident," Wilson explained to WIRED when he first launched the lawsuit in 2015. "So what if this code is a gun?

 

The rest of your post is immaterial to this.

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States seek to block instructions for making plastic guns

 
The guns, which fire conventional bullets, could never be traced if used in a crime, because there's no serial number.
 

WASHINGTON — Nearly half the states joined a series of efforts Monday to block a Texas man from offering instructions online for making plastic guns using 3-D printers.

 

"These downloadable guns are unregistered and very difficult to detect, even with metal detectors, and will be available to anyone regardless of age, mental health, or criminal history," said Bob Ferguson, Washington's attorney general.

 
 His counterparts from Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Pennsylvania joined in preparing to file a lawsuit in federal court, seeking to stop the website from making the instructions available.
 

Cody Wilson of Austin began posting the directions over the weekend, after the federal government dropped its opposition and settled a lawsuit that prevented him from making the files available for download. When fed to a 3-D printer, they allow a user to make the parts necessary for assembling fully functioning handguns or rifles.

 

Under the Obama administration, the State Department sued Wilson, saying his plans would violate laws against exporting firearms technology by putting the instructions into the hands of hostile forces or terrorists.

 

He sued, claiming a violation of his right of free expression but federal courts ruled against him. But then in June the Trump administration abruptly reversed course and concluded that rules limiting exports of weapons of war don't apply to Wilson's guns after all.

 

"To say they caved would be an understatement," Ferguson said.

 

Source - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/states-seek-block-instructions-making-plastic-guns-n8...

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

US firm to put 3D-printed gun designs back online, sparking fears After State Department allows blueprints to be posted, senator asks Pompeo to reconsider, saying it could end up putting rifles in the hands of Hamas

 

“When you think about all the rhetoric we here in our nation about tightening our borders and homeland security, and now we’re going to put out there for anyone who wants a recipe for how to overcome … TSA airport screenings or any other metal detector,” said Rick Myers, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Association. “It’s absolutely insane.”

 

The State Department decision came amid an obscure administrative change — begun under the Obama administration — in how the weapons are regulated and administered.

 


https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/

 

Cody Wilson fired the first printed gun over five years ago and posted the program on the internet.  They State Department demanded he take it down because it violated International Trade in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and he was effectively charged with exporting guns as if he had taken them out of the country.

 

Instead of bowing meekly to them, he took it to court as a violation of his free speech and faced the government down. Several years ago the Department of Justice offered him a settlement to end the lawsuit.

 

The program will be available on August 1 for anyone with the capability to print these guns.  But it won't be cheap.

 

Bottom line, it is a freedom of speech thing, but this will be regulated under the Commerce Department instead of State or Justice.   If someone decides to manufacture these commercially, that will be another matter.

 

There are two sides to what it means to governments.....if the materials was available, a good way to procure weapons.

 

Bottom line, Trump didn't ok anything, the government was forced to withdraw objections because of litigation regarding free speech rights.  If they could prohibit this, they would have reason to bar our posts.



The Government in this Case is Trump in the Form of the Justice Department - Trump instructed the Justice Department to withdraw their complaint as it has instructed the Justice Department to do on multipile Lawsuits concerning everything from Immigration to the Environment to Enforcing Russian Sanctions on ZTE..............................................Free Speech rights are litigated on a Case by Case Baisis Daily - You cannot yell Fire in a Crowded theatre is the best Cliche for this - well if you can;t yell fire when there is no Fire - Most reasonable people would agree - you can't provide the means for people to kill other people - making a gun at home for your own personal use is probably a right that is protected by the First Ammendment - providing the sophiticated engineering required to mass produce any kinds of weapons of war at home is something that should be arbitrated in a Court

 

Trump denied US Citizens that opportunity

 

 

 

 

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