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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

There is a limit to his 'powers' that could be overruled by the courts.  We have seen that with this and the previous President.  Some of those powers probably would have to be ratified by the Senate.

 

Additionally a President attempting to do much would be setting himself up fo impeachment.   It might be noted that if Trump has these powers, past Presidents have also had therm.

 

Someone here has too much time on their hands. 


AGAIN

 

It would be nice to think that America is protected from the worst excesses of Trump’s impulses by its democratic laws and institutions.

 

After all, Trump can do only so much without bumping up against the limits set by the Constitution and Congress and enforced by the courts.

 

Those who see Trump as a threat to democracy comfort themselves with the belief that these limits will hold him in check.

 

The moment the president declares a “national emergency”—a decision that is entirely within his discretion—more than 100 special provisions become available to him.

 

While many of these tee up reasonable responses to genuine emergencies, some appear dangerously suited to a leader bent on amassing or retaining power.

 

AGAIN

 

The US Constitution at it's Core Assumes The US Congress Will Do It's Job

 

That Has Not Been Ths Case Recently - US Presidents for the Several Decades Have been increasingly assuming more & more power - unchecked by the Congress

 

Unlike the modern constitutions of many other countries, which specify when and how a state of emergency may be declared and which rights may be suspended, the U.S. Constitution itself includes no comprehensive separate regime for emergencies.

 

At key points in American history, presidents have cited inherent constitutional powers when taking drastic actions that were not authorized—or, in some cases, were explicitly prohibited—by Congress.

 

1. Notorious examples include Franklin D. Roosevelt’s internment of U.S. citizens and residents of Japanese descent during World War II 

 

2. George W. Bush’s programs of warrantless wiretapping and torture after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

3. Abraham Lincoln conceded that his unilateral suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War was constitutionally questionable, but defended it as necessary to preserve the Union.

 

4. President Harry Truman’s made a bid to take over steel mills during the Korean War,

 

5. Thirty states of emergency are in effect today—several times more than when the act was passed. Most have been renewed for years on end.

 

And during the 40 years the law has been in place, Congress has not met even once, let alone every six months, to vote on whether to end them.

 

These statutory authorities began to pile up—and because presidents had little incentive to terminate states of emergency once declared, these piled up too.

 

By the 1970s, hundreds of statutory emergency powers, and four clearly obsolete states of emergency, were in effect.

 

@TxGrandpa2- You Yourself Has Claimed to Have Personal Knowledge of at Least One of these Abuses of Emergency Powers

 

For instance, the national emergency that Truman declared in 1950, during the Korean War, remained in place and was being used to help prosecute the war in Vietnam.

 

 

 Again the Sources

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/democracies.htm

 

https://www.co-intelligence.org/CIPol_democSocPwrAnal.html

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2013/02/05/how-dictators-come-to-power-in-a-democracy/#6a6cd0...

 

 

 

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There is a limit to his 'powers' that could be overruled by the courts.  We have seen that with this and the previous President.  Some of those powers probably would have to be ratified by the Senate.

 

Additionally a President attempting to do much would be setting himself up fo impeachment.   It might be noted that if Trump has these powers, past Presidents have also had therm.

 

Someone here has too much time on their hands. 

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@oceanedge2 wrote:

Thank you Mick for this education!


Yep, I agree.  But ........... trump supporters will nay-say it and support trump doing any or all of it for whatever reason he so chooses.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Thank you Mick for this education!

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GREAT!! Now YOU have something else TO worry about.

 

I am reminded of Spiro Agnew's comment about the "Nattering nabobs of negativism".

 

Smile, the sun is shining.


 

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally -- either directly or through elected representatives -- in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.

 

It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

 

Democracies Die When the Citizens

 

1. Have No Idea What How Their Government is Supposed To Operate

 

2. Have No Interest in Becoming Informed

 

3. Thinks Someone Else is Responsible for Assuring Things Are Running Legally & Competently

 

Hitler’s main talent - exactly like TRUMP - seemed to be as a speech maker, so he began giving speeches that appealed to Germans embittered and disillusioned by the outcome of the war. 

 

He denounced Jews, capitalists and other alleged villains, vowing to rebuild German greatness.

 

Trump Makes Speeches not about war but To Americans Who Feel Disenfranchised - Not By War - But by their own Governments Lack of Interest in them Personally

 

Historian Ian Kershaw observed that “Without a lost war, revolution, and a pervasive sense of national humiliation, Hitler would have remained a nobody.”

 

Democracy: A Social Power Analysis

 

When we're involved with other people (children, bosses, IRS agents) our ability to satisfy our desires (freedom) has a lot to do with how successfully we influence those people or resist their efforts to influence us in ways we don't want.

 

The ability to influence or resist is what social power is all about. People with lots of money, muscle, status, intelligence, etc., can usually successfully influence other people. In most (but, significantly, not all) circumstances, they have more social power.

 

When a person or group has substantially more power than others, their relationships are not democratic. Democracy requires that social power be equal or balanced.

 

Sometimes everyone having equal power doesn't make sense - like in a large company. In such circumstances, certain people may be given extra power. Such concentrated power can still be democratic, as long as those in charge are answerable to whomever they're managing and relinquish their power when duly called-upon to do so.

 

The main point is this: if people are going to be affected by something, they should be able to influence or resist what happens.

 

This doesn't mean everyone gets everything they want. It just means that people's desires should be fairly balanced with the desires of everyone else involved. Any system that ensures that kind of balance-of-power is democratic.

 

Kidnapped democracy: how can citizens escape?

 

José Saramago’s parable Seeing (2004) explores how irrationality and stupidity become manifest when political decision-making is taken “hostage” by financial powers. The Nobel Prize-winning author warns that contemporary politics is no longer able to resist the pressure of economic power.

 

This is because we live in amputated and kidnapped democracies that no longer protect citizens’ interests.

 

Unsurprisingly, this concern has become much more generalised among citizens in recent years. Journalists, activists, politicians and economists have also intuitively employed the concept of “kidnapped democracy” to describe our political predicament.

 

The term kidnap is clearly a useful metaphor for understanding the times and power relations in which we live, especially if we can spell out its meaning, its consequences, and the stakeholders (the kidnappers and the hostages) who intervene in the process.

 

Kidnapping implies that someone is being held against their will. At the mercy of the kidnapper, the hostage loses any capacity for action and free movement. So when democracy is kidnapped, its main institutions and basic structures – parliaments, political parties, trade unions, mass media and NGOs – are held hostage.

 

Of course, there are some differences between the kidnapping of people and the kidnapping of institutions, but both situations are complex and potentially violent. And both can produce repressed, complicit victims

 

Sources

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2013/02/05/how-dictators-come-to-power-in-a-democracy/#1713f2...

 

https://www.co-intelligence.org/CIPol_democSocPwrAnal.html

 

http://theconversation.com/kidnapped-democracy-how-can-citizens-escape-90011

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/democracies.htm

 

 

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A Guide to Presidential Emergency Powers and Their Use

 

The table below displays these powers by subject matter, specifies the conditions triggering their use, and lists the occasions on which they have been invoked.

 

Click the Link and then Click on the Colored Boxes To Display What Power and Under What Category Trump Would Have - Some Examples Provided

 

 

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Source - https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/emergency-powers

 

 

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GREAT!! Now YOU have something else TO worry about.

 

I am reminded of Spiro Agnew's comment about the "Nattering nabobs of negativism".

 

Smile, the sun is shining.

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Unknown to most Americans, a vast set of laws gives the president greatly enhanced powers during emergencies.

 

The Brennan Center, building on previous research, has identified 136 statutory powers that may become available to the president upon declaration of a national emergency.

 

Right Now Today There Are Between 35 - 58 Different Presidential Emergency Powers in Effect That Trump Could Utilize to do all kinds of things

 

Some of these National Emergency Declarations Have Been in Effect and were First Implemented Way Back In 1979

 

AGAIN - WHAT HAVE THESE CAREER INCUMBENT POLITICIANS LIKE PELOSI HOYER CLYBURN SCHUMER BEEN DOING FOR 30+ YEARS

 

THIS IS HOW CITIZENS LOSE CONTROL OF THEIR COUNTRIES

 

ALL THESE EMERGENCY POWERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED OR A CREDIBLE CASE MADE FOR WHY THEY ARE STILL NEEDED

 

YOUR CONGRESS COMPRISED OF CAREER PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOBS

 

 

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Source - https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/NEA%20Declarations.pdf

 

 

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What the President Could Do If He Declares a State of Emergency

 

From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things.

 

Most Americans Are Unaware of the Broad Powers a US President can legally assume with a simple - Stroke of His Pen

 

For Example - Unknown to most Americans, a parallel legal regime allows the president to sidestep many of the constraints that normally apply. The moment the president declares a “national emergency”—a decision that is entirely within his discretion—more than 100 special provisions become available to him

 

1. For instance, the president can, with the flick of his pen, activate laws allowing him to shut down many kinds of electronic communications inside the United States or freeze Americans’ bank accounts. 

 

2. Other powers are available even without a declaration of emergency, including laws that allow the president to deploy troops inside the country to subdue domestic unrest.

 

This edifice of extraordinary powers has historically rested on the assumption that the president will act in the country’s best interest when using them.

 

With a handful of noteworthy exceptions, this assumption has held up.

 

But what if a president, backed into a corner and facing electoral defeat or impeachment, were to declare an emergency for the sake of holding on to power?

 

In that scenario, our laws and institutions might not save us from a presidential power grab. They might be what takes us down.

 

Source - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

 

 

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