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   Distraction 101 -  when in fact this is a bfd.   Countries are cancelling their orders for the new Boeing Plane - mostly because of the foot dragging by Donald.    Perhaps this is the Corvair story - and RW want to suggest that selling it, regardless of safety is more important.    wow!

    Based on the denial that continued for days and mismanagement out of temporary FAA, trusting that a US investigation was viewed as a predestined cover-up.   

 

    


That makes no sense. Why should anyone cancel their orders because the planes weren't grounded?

 

Sometimes it is valuable to think beyond Trump hatred in forming conclusions.

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@williamb39198 wrote:

This is starting to look like a situation where bad corporate decisions lead to major, major losses. Remember back to the well blow out in the Gulf of Mexico. I think that it was a decision to not replace blowout preventers, which they knew needed to be replaced at a cost of a few million, the preventers failed, then an ecological disaster, terrible PR, and how many billions did it cost for the clean up?

Is that what is taking place here with Boeing?...at what cost hurrying production or not taking action immediately!...could be really big.

 

346 passenger's killed.  The suffering caused, world wide, for these two crashes will only be increasing for a long time to come.  I sure hope Boeing does not proceed as BP did in blaming others, lying about what was taking place, how they were going to solve it, make amends, accept responsibility.   I was very afraid the leak was never going to be contained. 

 

At the time of the stoppage, oil had been leaking continuously into the Gulf of Mexico for 85 days, 16 hours and 25 minutes since the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig exploded on April 20, 2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_stem_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

 

The eight failures that caused the Gulf oil spill

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19425-the-eight-failures-that-caused-the-gulf-oil-spill/

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This is starting to look like a situation where bad corporate decisions lead to major, major losses. Remember back to the well blow out in the Gulf of Mexico. I think that it was a decision to not replace blowout preventers, which they knew needed to be replaced at a cost of a few million, the preventers failed, then an ecological disaster, terrible PR, and how many billions did it cost for the clean up?

Is that what is taking place here with Boeing?...at what cost hurrying production or not taking action immediately!...could be really big. 

If anyone has other details on the Gulf disaster, please provide. Thanks

 

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It's unimaginable that anyone would defend Boeing, the FAA, or trump in any of this. Yet in this forum anything is possible.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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IMHO, there's no such thing as "coincidence" in things as wildly diverse as airliner crashes. But here we had TWO virtually identical brand new planes, both with excellent crews, both suddenly deciding to nosedive into the dirt for no apparent reason, and their flight crews unable to do anything to prevent it.

 

Indoesia's plane crashed 13 minutes from takeoff.  Boeing then issued orders for pilots to receive "new" training.  How many countries worldwide complied is not known but Ethiopia has stated they did follow that emergency training directive. Their plane was only in the air 6 minutes.  Total humans killed from both crashes, 346.  The black box from Ethiopia is now in France and not the USA.

I don't believe in coincidence either.  It is going to take many months, if not years to confirm the cause of these disasters and then the fix.  Trust in the FAA, Boeing and the US president to respond quickly in a crisis is gone.  It doesn't exist.  Regaining those confidences and reputations may not happen in our lifetimes.

maga has never been anything more than a bumper sticker for simpletons.  There should be an additional funeral service.

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IMHO, there's no such thing as "coincidence" in things as wildly diverse as airliner crashes. But here we had TWO virtually identical brand new planes, both with excellent crews, both suddenly deciding to nosedive into the dirt for no apparent reason, and their flight crews unable to do anything to prevent it.

 

In the first crash, a safety program that was intended to prevent the plane from being put into to steep a climb and causing the airdraft to "stall" "misinterperted" the data coming from other sensors and forced the plane's nose down, causing it to fly into the ground as the pilot was shut out of the control system because the plane thought the pilot was putting the aircraft into danger. Dollars to donuts, second crash was the same problem.

 

The fact lil donny relied on a phonecall with the Boeing CEO to be reassured about the plane's safety is pathetic, but said CEO is facing a disasater.

Boeing is turning out 52 planes each month, and the majority are 737-800's.

The plants have no place to store the planes they produce, and if they cannot fly them out, production will come to a screeching halt.

This will idle around 15,000 highly paid production workers, and that's just the beginning of the really bad news.

 

Boeing has orders for 5,011 of these planes, and if a fix isn't forthcoming, those orders are toast, at an average cost of $72Million, that's $361BILLION in lost revenue.

 

That's the problem with having Republicans in charge of our national safety programs - the Montreal Convention stipulates a payment of $174,000 for each passenger death, so in the beady eyes of a GOPer cost analyst, the 157 dead passengers ONLY cost the company $23,318,000 while the loss of a single sale sets them back $78,000,000. OF COURSE they want to keep the planes flying, especially those flying off to a customer.

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its the Trump version of Making America Great. Kind of like what he did for education with Trump University. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

How many topics do we need on the exact same subject with the exact same point being put forward - the newly adopted "Benjamins" meme?

 

As to President Trump pushing Boeing around the world - yes, it is an American Company employing American workers. I would think that was perfectly appropriate to any rational thinking person.


When every other Country in the World & Every Other Airline in the World refuses to allow their Citizens & Customers to have their lives put in danger after 2 brand new planes have crashed in the last 140 days

 

Countries & Leaders who's Citizens & Businesses are going to be inconvenienced & Lose Money just like the United States but error on the side of their Citizens best Interests

 

Then in comparison you have ONE OUTLIER - a President who is a proven Liar - a Crony Capatalistic Culture where Dozens of Companies have proven a willingness to trade their Consumers Lives for Benjamin's

 

There is only one reasonable conclusion & it has nothing to do with the Livelihood of American Workers

 

It has to do with the Brands of Trump & Boeing & how much they are intertwined

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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   Distraction 101 -  when in fact this is a bfd.   Countries are cancelling their orders for the new Boeing Plane - mostly because of the foot dragging by Donald.    Perhaps this is the Corvair story - and RW want to suggest that selling it, regardless of safety is more important.    wow!

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How many topics do we need on the exact same subject with the exact same point being put forward - the newly adopted "Benjamins" meme?

 

As to President Trump pushing Boeing around the world - yes, it is an American Company employing American workers. I would think that was perfectly appropriate to any rational thinking person.

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