Know someone over 50 who is making a difference? Nominate them for the AARP Purpose Prize.

Reply
Valued Social Butterfly
1
Kudos
132
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

132 Views
Message 61 of 74

This is starting to look like a situation where bad corporate decisions lead to major, major losses. Remember back to the well blow out in the Gulf of Mexico. I think that it was a decision to not replace blowout preventers, which they knew needed to be replaced at a cost of a few million, the preventers failed, then an ecological disaster, terrible PR, and how many billions did it cost for the clean up?

Is that what is taking place here with Boeing?...at what cost hurrying production or not taking action immediately!...could be really big. 

If anyone has other details on the Gulf disaster, please provide. Thanks

 

Country over party

Report Inappropriate Content
1
Kudos
132
Views
Highlighted
Valued Social Butterfly
4
Kudos
144
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

144 Views
Message 62 of 74

It's unimaginable that anyone would defend Boeing, the FAA, or trump in any of this. Yet in this forum anything is possible.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
Report Inappropriate Content
4
Kudos
144
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
3
Kudos
150
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

150 Views
Message 63 of 74

IMHO, there's no such thing as "coincidence" in things as wildly diverse as airliner crashes. But here we had TWO virtually identical brand new planes, both with excellent crews, both suddenly deciding to nosedive into the dirt for no apparent reason, and their flight crews unable to do anything to prevent it.

 

Indoesia's plane crashed 13 minutes from takeoff.  Boeing then issued orders for pilots to receive "new" training.  How many countries worldwide complied is not known but Ethiopia has stated they did follow that emergency training directive. Their plane was only in the air 6 minutes.  Total humans killed from both crashes, 346.  The black box from Ethiopia is now in France and not the USA.

I don't believe in coincidence either.  It is going to take many months, if not years to confirm the cause of these disasters and then the fix.  Trust in the FAA, Boeing and the US president to respond quickly in a crisis is gone.  It doesn't exist.  Regaining those confidences and reputations may not happen in our lifetimes.

maga has never been anything more than a bumper sticker for simpletons.  There should be an additional funeral service.

Report Inappropriate Content
3
Kudos
150
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
2
Kudos
154
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

154 Views
Message 64 of 74

IMHO, there's no such thing as "coincidence" in things as wildly diverse as airliner crashes. But here we had TWO virtually identical brand new planes, both with excellent crews, both suddenly deciding to nosedive into the dirt for no apparent reason, and their flight crews unable to do anything to prevent it.

 

In the first crash, a safety program that was intended to prevent the plane from being put into to steep a climb and causing the airdraft to "stall" "misinterperted" the data coming from other sensors and forced the plane's nose down, causing it to fly into the ground as the pilot was shut out of the control system because the plane thought the pilot was putting the aircraft into danger. Dollars to donuts, second crash was the same problem.

 

The fact lil donny relied on a phonecall with the Boeing CEO to be reassured about the plane's safety is pathetic, but said CEO is facing a disasater.

Boeing is turning out 52 planes each month, and the majority are 737-800's.

The plants have no place to store the planes they produce, and if they cannot fly them out, production will come to a screeching halt.

This will idle around 15,000 highly paid production workers, and that's just the beginning of the really bad news.

 

Boeing has orders for 5,011 of these planes, and if a fix isn't forthcoming, those orders are toast, at an average cost of $72Million, that's $361BILLION in lost revenue.

 

That's the problem with having Republicans in charge of our national safety programs - the Montreal Convention stipulates a payment of $174,000 for each passenger death, so in the beady eyes of a GOPer cost analyst, the 157 dead passengers ONLY cost the company $23,318,000 while the loss of a single sale sets them back $78,000,000. OF COURSE they want to keep the planes flying, especially those flying off to a customer.

Report Inappropriate Content
2
Kudos
154
Views
Treasured Social Butterfly
4
Kudos
163
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

163 Views
Message 65 of 74

its the Trump version of Making America Great. Kind of like what he did for education with Trump University. 

Report Inappropriate Content
4
Kudos
163
Views
Treasured Social Butterfly
2
Kudos
165
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

165 Views
Message 66 of 74

@rk9152 wrote:

How many topics do we need on the exact same subject with the exact same point being put forward - the newly adopted "Benjamins" meme?

 

As to President Trump pushing Boeing around the world - yes, it is an American Company employing American workers. I would think that was perfectly appropriate to any rational thinking person.


When every other Country in the World & Every Other Airline in the World refuses to allow their Citizens & Customers to have their lives put in danger after 2 brand new planes have crashed in the last 140 days

 

Countries & Leaders who's Citizens & Businesses are going to be inconvenienced & Lose Money just like the United States but error on the side of their Citizens best Interests

 

Then in comparison you have ONE OUTLIER - a President who is a proven Liar - a Crony Capatalistic Culture where Dozens of Companies have proven a willingness to trade their Consumers Lives for Benjamin's

 

There is only one reasonable conclusion & it has nothing to do with the Livelihood of American Workers

 

It has to do with the Brands of Trump & Boeing & how much they are intertwined

 

 

( " If I do not believe as you believe, it proves that you do not believe as I believe, and this is all that it proves. Sam Adams )

" )
" - Anonymous

Report Inappropriate Content
2
Kudos
165
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
5
Kudos
179
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

179 Views
Message 67 of 74

   Distraction 101 -  when in fact this is a bfd.   Countries are cancelling their orders for the new Boeing Plane - mostly because of the foot dragging by Donald.    Perhaps this is the Corvair story - and RW want to suggest that selling it, regardless of safety is more important.    wow!

    Based on the denial that continued for days and mismanagement out of temporary FAA, trusting that a US investigation was viewed as a predestined cover-up.   

 

    

PRO-LIFE is Affordable Healthcare for ALL .
Report Inappropriate Content
5
Kudos
179
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
0
Kudos
182
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

182 Views
Message 68 of 74

How many topics do we need on the exact same subject with the exact same point being put forward - the newly adopted "Benjamins" meme?

 

As to President Trump pushing Boeing around the world - yes, it is an American Company employing American workers. I would think that was perfectly appropriate to any rational thinking person.

Report Inappropriate Content
0
Kudos
182
Views
Treasured Social Butterfly
4
Kudos
265
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

265 Views
Message 69 of 74

Get this

 

The plane in the First Crash was - Brand New - only 2 months old

 

The Plane in the Second Crash was only 4 months old

 

Anyone who thinks the only place Benjamin's are working their Magic in American Crony Capitalism is only at our Elite Colleges or in our Politics

 

Think Again

 

The Greed & Corruption Permeates Every Facet of US Society

 

 

( " If I do not believe as you believe, it proves that you do not believe as I believe, and this is all that it proves. Sam Adams )

" )
" - Anonymous

Report Inappropriate Content
4
Kudos
265
Views
Treasured Social Butterfly
2
Kudos
257
Views

Re: Trump/FAA Not Trusted by Worlds Air Safety Community

257 Views
Message 70 of 74
Boeing’s cozy relationship with Trump complicates the FAA’s decision to not ground Boeing planes

Trump and Boeing go way back.

 

 

Boeing Trump.png

 

 

Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenberg reportedly put in a call with President Donald Trump on Tuesday to try to convince him not to ground his company’s embattled 737 Max 8 planes after two such models crashed in a matter of months. A number of countries have decided to keep the planes out of the air, but not the United States.

 

Maybe the US and the Federal Aviation Administration are right to see what investigators find out and take a prudent approach before taking action. But it would be a lot easier to believe that if Boeing weren’t so chummy with Trump.

 

The relationship between the Trump administration and Boeing has come under increased scrutiny in recent days amid concerns over the safety of one of the manufacturer’s planes. On Sunday, March 10, Ethiopian Airlines flight 302 from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, to Nairobi, Kenya, faltered and crashed soon after taking off, killing all 157 people on board. Just five months before, in October, a Lion Air flight taking off from Jakarta, Indonesia, crashed, killing all 189 passengers. The flights were the same model of planes, the Boeing 737 Max 8.

 

Multiple countries have grounded the planes, and in the US, there is increased pressure on the FAA to follow suit, including from members of Congress from both sides of the aisle, such as Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Mitt Romney (R-UT), and Ted Cruz (R-TX).

 

But thus far, the FAA isn’t budging. The agency says its team is working with the National Transportation Safety Board to investigate what happened with the Ethiopian Airlines flight and that if it identifies an issue that affects safety, it will take “immediate and appropriate action.”

 

The FAA may just be acting prudently and gathering all the facts. But given the cozy relationship between Boeing and Trump, there’s a shadow of a doubt that’s impossible to shake.

 

Trump and Boeing go back

Ken Vogel at the New York Times reported on Tuesday that Muilenburg, Boeing’s CEO, spoke with Trump on the phone in the morning to make the case that the Boeing 737 Max 8 planes are safe and do not need to be grounded in the US. According to a Boeing official, Muilenburg called after Trump tweeted that airplanes are “far too complex” and that the complexity “creates danger.”

Tuesday’s phone call isn’t the first time the pair have come into contact.

 

Boeing donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration.

 

When he was elected, Trump complained that the price of the new Air Force One, which Boeing was set to make, was too expensive and threatened to cancel the order. As Reuters notes, Muilenburg and Trump personally negotiated the cost, and Muilenburg visited the president in Trump Tower. “He cares about business and he creates open communication lines, and we will have differences from time to time, we may not agree on every topic,” Muilenburg said in a recent radio interview of Trump.

 

Trump’s acting secretary of defense, Patrick Shanahan, worked at Boeing for 30 years. Trump’s former US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, is about to join Boeing’s board. The president has held events at Boeing facilities in St. Louis and Charleston. When he got upset about the cost of Lockheed Martin’s F-35, he threatened to buy Boeing products instead.

 

Source - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/13/18263719/boeing-ceo-dennis-muilenburg-trump-tweet-...

 

 

 

 

( " If I do not believe as you believe, it proves that you do not believe as I believe, and this is all that it proves. Sam Adams )

" )
" - Anonymous

Report Inappropriate Content
2
Kudos
257
Views