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Trump administration eyes rolling back Obama-era school discipline policies
Instead of focusing on gun control, the administration is calling to reverse rules intended to protect black students from disproportionate punishment.
 
Dec. 18, 2018 / 8:50 AM CST / Updated 11:55 AM CST
By Suzy Khimm and Allan Smith

 

A school safety commission created by President Donald Trump in the wake of the massacre in Parkland, Florida, has recommended that an Obama-era policy to reduce racial disparities in school discipline be rescinded, according to a report released by the panel on Tuesday.

The Federal Commission on School Safety said that it was "deeply troubled" by the Obama administration's 2014 guidance, which warned schools that they could be violating federal law if their discipline policies targeted minority students at higher rates.

 
 

"Maintaining order in schools is a key to keeping schools safe," the report said, adding that the previous guidance "undercut the ability of local officials to address the impact of disciplinary matters on school safety."

Image: FILE PHOTO - U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor MarylandSecretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Feb. 23, 2017.Joshua Roberts / Reuters file

 

The school safety report is the result of nearly a year of efforts by the commission, led by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Student activists led the charge in calling for gun control in the aftermath of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School earlier this year that killed 17 students and staff. But the commission did not make guns its focus, instead scrutinizing the Obama-era discipline policies, mental health, crisis management and press coverage of mass shootings, among other issues.

“The report makes no recommendations to address the common denominator in school tragedies — easy access to assault-style firearms designed for the battlefield," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., the incoming chair of the House Education and Labor Committee. "Rather than confronting the role of guns in gun violence, the Trump administration blames school shootings on civil rights enforcement."

 

More at LINK:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-administration-eyes-rolling-back-obama-era-school...


From your NBC article,:"The Obama administration implemented the guidance after finding that black students are three times more likely to be suspended or expelled than white students, among other disparities."

 

Of course the left recommends equal justice for equal crimes committed.  Have you considered that "black students" were causing three times the problems of white students?  Does the left believe that those problem black students NOT be punished when they are creating mayhem in the schools?


You ignore the disparities. Blacks were receiving stiffer punishments than whites received for the same infractions


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Kids have an amazing sense of "fairness", and being treated UNfairly gives them an abiding disrespect for those administering the treatment.

 

In the case of black kids, that UNfair treatment continues into their adult life, with things like "stop and frisk" and the mandatory sentencing laws falling much more heavily on them than equally guilty white people.

 

Add to this the fact the mistreated youth is much more likely to "act out" in disregard to rules (laws) imposed by the authorities, and you have a perfect circle of unfair treatment -> acting out->excessive incarceration->more unfair treatment because of the incarceration.

 

To break the cycle, step one MUST be to eliminate the UNfair treatment in childhood, because that is the last time the infractions are mostly insignificant to begin with.

 

Of course, Republicans will Willy Horton this at every opportunity. Thing is Willy could have been saved if he'd gotten fair treatment as a youth. Lacking a time machine, we must begin with kids who have NOT committed serious offences.


Are you proposing race based discipline standards?


Goodness, I am sorry you have so much trouble with the English language.

 

What OS is proposing is that ALL children be given the appropriate intervetions BEFORE they get old enough to need discipline at school, whatever the color of their skin. Prevention, not punishment.

 

Does that help? I'm happy to explain these things to you when you're struggling. Otherwise it just looks as if you're trolling other posters, which is against the TOS on the board, and I'm sure you don't want that.


Intervention early sounds like a good idea. However, the topic has to do with racial differences as things progress. I pointed out what happened in my area due to that thinking.

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:
Trump administration eyes rolling back Obama-era school discipline policies
Instead of focusing on gun control, the administration is calling to reverse rules intended to protect black students from disproportionate punishment.
 
Dec. 18, 2018 / 8:50 AM CST / Updated 11:55 AM CST
By Suzy Khimm and Allan Smith

 

A school safety commission created by President Donald Trump in the wake of the massacre in Parkland, Florida, has recommended that an Obama-era policy to reduce racial disparities in school discipline be rescinded, according to a report released by the panel on Tuesday.

The Federal Commission on School Safety said that it was "deeply troubled" by the Obama administration's 2014 guidance, which warned schools that they could be violating federal law if their discipline policies targeted minority students at higher rates.

 
 

"Maintaining order in schools is a key to keeping schools safe," the report said, adding that the previous guidance "undercut the ability of local officials to address the impact of disciplinary matters on school safety."

Image: FILE PHOTO - U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor MarylandSecretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Feb. 23, 2017.Joshua Roberts / Reuters file

 

The school safety report is the result of nearly a year of efforts by the commission, led by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Student activists led the charge in calling for gun control in the aftermath of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School earlier this year that killed 17 students and staff. But the commission did not make guns its focus, instead scrutinizing the Obama-era discipline policies, mental health, crisis management and press coverage of mass shootings, among other issues.

“The report makes no recommendations to address the common denominator in school tragedies — easy access to assault-style firearms designed for the battlefield," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., the incoming chair of the House Education and Labor Committee. "Rather than confronting the role of guns in gun violence, the Trump administration blames school shootings on civil rights enforcement."

 

More at LINK:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-administration-eyes-rolling-back-obama-era-school...


From your NBC article,:"The Obama administration implemented the guidance after finding that black students are three times more likely to be suspended or expelled than white students, among other disparities."

 

Of course the left recommends equal justice for equal crimes committed.  Have you considered that "black students" were causing three times the problems of white students?  Does the left believe that those problem black students NOT be punished when they are creating mayhem in the schools?


Haven't seen that. Got a citation for that statistic? 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:
Trump administration eyes rolling back Obama-era school discipline policies
Instead of focusing on gun control, the administration is calling to reverse rules intended to protect black students from disproportionate punishment.
 
Dec. 18, 2018 / 8:50 AM CST / Updated 11:55 AM CST
By Suzy Khimm and Allan Smith

 

A school safety commission created by President Donald Trump in the wake of the massacre in Parkland, Florida, has recommended that an Obama-era policy to reduce racial disparities in school discipline be rescinded, according to a report released by the panel on Tuesday.

The Federal Commission on School Safety said that it was "deeply troubled" by the Obama administration's 2014 guidance, which warned schools that they could be violating federal law if their discipline policies targeted minority students at higher rates.

 
 

"Maintaining order in schools is a key to keeping schools safe," the report said, adding that the previous guidance "undercut the ability of local officials to address the impact of disciplinary matters on school safety."

Image: FILE PHOTO - U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor MarylandSecretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Feb. 23, 2017.Joshua Roberts / Reuters file

 

The school safety report is the result of nearly a year of efforts by the commission, led by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Student activists led the charge in calling for gun control in the aftermath of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School earlier this year that killed 17 students and staff. But the commission did not make guns its focus, instead scrutinizing the Obama-era discipline policies, mental health, crisis management and press coverage of mass shootings, among other issues.

“The report makes no recommendations to address the common denominator in school tragedies — easy access to assault-style firearms designed for the battlefield," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., the incoming chair of the House Education and Labor Committee. "Rather than confronting the role of guns in gun violence, the Trump administration blames school shootings on civil rights enforcement."

 

More at LINK:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-administration-eyes-rolling-back-obama-era-school...


From your NBC article,:"The Obama administration implemented the guidance after finding that black students are three times more likely to be suspended or expelled than white students, among other disparities."

 

Of course the left recommends equal justice for equal crimes committed.  Have you considered that "black students" were causing three times the problems of white students?  Does the left believe that those problem black students NOT be punished when they are creating mayhem in the schools?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Kids have an amazing sense of "fairness", and being treated UNfairly gives them an abiding disrespect for those administering the treatment.

 

In the case of black kids, that UNfair treatment continues into their adult life, with things like "stop and frisk" and the mandatory sentencing laws falling much more heavily on them than equally guilty white people.

 

Add to this the fact the mistreated youth is much more likely to "act out" in disregard to rules (laws) imposed by the authorities, and you have a perfect circle of unfair treatment -> acting out->excessive incarceration->more unfair treatment because of the incarceration.

 

To break the cycle, step one MUST be to eliminate the UNfair treatment in childhood, because that is the last time the infractions are mostly insignificant to begin with.

 

Of course, Republicans will Willy Horton this at every opportunity. Thing is Willy could have been saved if he'd gotten fair treatment as a youth. Lacking a time machine, we must begin with kids who have NOT committed serious offences.


Are you proposing race based discipline standards?


Goodness, I am sorry you have so much trouble with the English language.

 

What OS is proposing is that ALL children be given the appropriate intervetions BEFORE they get old enough to need discipline at school, whatever the color of their skin. Prevention, not punishment.

 

Does that help? I'm happy to explain these things to you when you're struggling. Otherwise it just looks as if you're trolling other posters, which is against the TOS on the board, and I'm sure you don't want that.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Kids have an amazing sense of "fairness", and being treated UNfairly gives them an abiding disrespect for those administering the treatment.

 

In the case of black kids, that UNfair treatment continues into their adult life, with things like "stop and frisk" and the mandatory sentencing laws falling much more heavily on them than equally guilty white people.

 

Add to this the fact the mistreated youth is much more likely to "act out" in disregard to rules (laws) imposed by the authorities, and you have a perfect circle of unfair treatment -> acting out->excessive incarceration->more unfair treatment because of the incarceration.

 

To break the cycle, step one MUST be to eliminate the UNfair treatment in childhood, because that is the last time the infractions are mostly insignificant to begin with.

 

Of course, Republicans will Willy Horton this at every opportunity. Thing is Willy could have been saved if he'd gotten fair treatment as a youth. Lacking a time machine, we must begin with kids who have NOT committed serious offences.


Are you proposing race based discipline standards?

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Kids have an amazing sense of "fairness", and being treated UNfairly gives them an abiding disrespect for those administering the treatment.

 

In the case of black kids, that UNfair treatment continues into their adult life, with things like "stop and frisk" and the mandatory sentencing laws falling much more heavily on them than equally guilty white people.

 

Add to this the fact the mistreated youth is much more likely to "act out" in disregard to rules (laws) imposed by the authorities, and you have a perfect circle of unfair treatment -> acting out->excessive incarceration->more unfair treatment because of the incarceration.

 

To break the cycle, step one MUST be to eliminate the UNfair treatment in childhood, because that is the last time the infractions are mostly insignificant to begin with.

 

Of course, Republicans will Willy Horton this at every opportunity. Thing is Willy could have been saved if he'd gotten fair treatment as a youth. Lacking a time machine, we must begin with kids who have NOT committed serious offences.

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You conveniently forget that black students are disciplined more often and more harshly for the same infractions committed by white students. 


No I didn't. I pointed out that the local paper's "research" used pure stats - comparing percentage of population to percentage of disciplined with no regard to the acts of the kids involved. To avoid the "racist" label, the School Board then implemented a policy of only punishing kids withing their percentage of the population.

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Like this. Do you really think if a white girl refused to put her cell phone away in class, the teacher would have called the SRO in?  

 

Failing to put away a cell phone away is a school rule infraction, not a crime. The teacher NEVER should have called in a police officer and the police officer should NEVER have intervened.

 

A whole bunch of adults who have no clue how to deal with kids. Why on earth are they working in a school? 

 

 https://youtu.be/IY1e8qe-2O8 

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You conveniently forget that black students are disciplined more often and more harshly for the same infractions committed by white students. 

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