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So you wouldn't have a problem drinking the water from unregulated farm waste run off ..... or the water from rivers and streams that coal mines dump their waste into due to Trump's deregulation?

The rule hasn't been in use since January 2018 - this move just makes it official.  As always, Congress could have added the rules changes to the CWA but they didn't and if locals took their responsibilities seriously over streams, wetlands and other smaller bodies of water that are not covered by the CWA there is no need for Fed oversite.

 

For those bodies of water for which the Obama Clean Water Rule applied, LOCAL control and LOCAL protection is all that is needed to make sure water is clean.  The only thing that this Rule (WOTUS) did for my community was to increase cost in reporting.

 

I have lived in a Watershed area for the last 30-years.  In my area of watershed management - directly next to or close by the water source, we have had all the following set up FOR a whole lot longer than 2015.
- you have to have at least 3-acres to build a home
- you have a limited area of impervious surface
- you have to have at least a100 ft buffer where there is NO disturbance of the natural follage next to the water source.
- there is NO commercial development. Country stores were grandfathered but they have strict limits on any construction, remodeling or paving done in the future.
- you have to have your septic system inspected annually and repaired if necessary - the size of it is strictly enforced based on the number of bedrooms/baths
- water quality is measured weekly or more often in various areas of the county for not only pollutants/contaminants but chemical additives to make sure they are mixing well and doing their job in all areas.
- we also have a storm water utility management which controls, repairs, monitors water flow from rain into the system.
- the dam and reservoir is also regulated - as well as other small lakes and streams feeding into the main location - NO gas motors are allowed.
- land use is restricted to only allowable activities - many of which, have to be permitted so that everything can be reviewed for compliance
- any new home developments or building have added requirements on the developer/builder and are reviewed during the building process for compliance.
- a site plan, topography drawings and perc test are required on all construction or changes
- for those with 10+ acres, they have the option of filling for a conservation land use classification to reduce their property taxes - they are allowed 3-acres for the home and then a reduced tax rate for forest, agriculture, fisheries, live stock use on the rest of their land. This is a 10-year commitment and if it changes in that 10-years for some reason, we can recoup some tax dollars.

The further away from the water source, the restrictions are reduced in a step manner.

 

Like I said, I moved here 30 years ago - I am only about 25 miles from Atlanta, convenient to many direct highways to the city and other places but my area has not changed one bit because of these protections. Time has stood still here - whatever higher density & development or enterprise development happens much further away or downstream away from the water source and the wetlands.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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@john258 wrote:

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@john258 

Very correct. 

Hard to say if the crazy pastor and followers ever made to the spaceship, they all committed suicide...and I mean crazy! If someone wants to take their own life, that’s one thing. But why do they feel the need to take others with them?

 

Suppose that trump spoke with South Florida residents concerning the reasons for the large algae blooms. 

Or to those that make their living off of harvesting seafood from rivers, bays, lakes, or oceans about how they feel about have more “crap” dumped into the waters?...or how consumers feel about it?


Florida algae blooms are the result of overuse of fertilizers and not "Climate Change".


Look at the title of this thread, and then look at your answer. The fertilizers get to the ocean by streams which is what the rule tries to prevent. Nothing to do with climate change in this thread.


I point out that the algae blooms are not from Climate Change because that's the way Progressive regressives think!  According to the left, everything hinges on Climate Change.  Where else will you rob the earners and give to the beggers?


You blame the algae on fertilizer run-off yet claim that it is good for trump to overturn executive orders prohibiting that run-off. Amazing. Where else will you give to "the earners" and kill the "beggars" with cancers caused by farm and coal industry run-off?


The so called "experts" say so (regarding algae bloom), not me and I never said I agreed with or disagreed with Trump on any executive orders.  I approve of clean water and rules to keep it clean.


Yet you applaud Truump's deregulations allowing our waters to be polluted.

Quite the contradiction NOTHAPPENING!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

@john258 

Very correct. 

Hard to say if the crazy pastor and followers ever made to the spaceship, they all committed suicide...and I mean crazy! If someone wants to take their own life, that’s one thing. But why do they feel the need to take others with them?

 

Suppose that trump spoke with South Florida residents concerning the reasons for the large algae blooms. 

Or to those that make their living off of harvesting seafood from rivers, bays, lakes, or oceans about how they feel about have more “crap” dumped into the waters?...or how consumers feel about it?


Florida algae blooms are the result of overuse of fertilizers and not "Climate Change".


Look at the title of this thread, and then look at your answer. The fertilizers get to the ocean by streams which is what the rule tries to prevent. Nothing to do with climate change in this thread.


I point out that the algae blooms are not from Climate Change because that's the way Progressive regressives think!  According to the left, everything hinges on Climate Change.  Where else will you rob the earners and give to the beggers?


Another absurd unsubstantiated accusation and has NOTHING to do with the topic!!!

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

The reason more Americans die from pollution than from gun homicides is a single Republican administration destroys 40 years of pollution abatement by Progressives.

 

So far Bonespuro WUSSolini has added 1,400 MORE deaths just from coal (new total 14,400/year)  and a couple thousand more from the 84 other pollution regulations the little twit rolled back.

 

In short, lil donny's deregulation has already killed more Americans than Osama Bin Laden.

 

And the infantile moron thinks he should be getting the Nobel Peace Prize.


And why shouldn't Trump get a Nobel prize for actually doing what he promised when running for office? 

Because what he is doing is killing the planet! .... starting with our own country!!

 

The previous President got one for being black and not doing anything.

Another unsubstantiated claim ..... and offensively racist as well!!!


 

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@williamb39198 wrote:

@john258 

Very correct. 

Hard to say if the crazy pastor and followers ever made to the spaceship, they all committed suicide...and I mean crazy! If someone wants to take their own life, that’s one thing. But why do they feel the need to take others with them?

 

Suppose that trump spoke with South Florida residents concerning the reasons for the large algae blooms. 

Or to those that make their living off of harvesting seafood from rivers, bays, lakes, or oceans about how they feel about have more “crap” dumped into the waters?...or how consumers feel about it?


Florida algae blooms are the result of overuse of fertilizers and not "Climate Change".


Another straw man argument NOTHAPPENING as nobody said anything about "climate change" causing algae blooms!

The reason for the algae blooms was clearly "crap being dumped into the waters" ..... "crap" freely dumped due to Trump and Republican deregulations!!!

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@john258 wrote:

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@Panjandrum 

Or perhaps a trump induced evangelical  “rapture” may be taking place in the near future that we are not aware of?

Remember the spaceship hiding behind the comet!


Are you referring to the great liberal Minister Farrakhan and his "mother ship"?

 

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Minister_Louis_Farrakhan_9/article_101112.shtml


No he is referring to Pastor Jack and the other far right EV Christian pastors who support Trump and are out preaching this every day. We should not leave out their flock who eat all this up. They are told when he 7 years war with Russia starts they will all be taken to space by a large space ship to sit out, then return to world which is 100% far right Christian.


Sounds like something Jim Jones would say when he passed out the Kool Aid.

 

If that space ship picks up Trump and Pence, we should all be looking forward to it!


Was checking this evening to see what far right EV Pastors were saying on TV. There was one on who was all for Trump as Trump was in the bible and its story of the end times. He even compared Trump to George Washington. They all seem to see Trump as the opening to the end times where a lot of people die, and then we have the 2nd. coming to save and make the world far right Christian. Could be right as Trump destroys everything he touches. I will say his support with the far right EV Christians should be very strong so we all better work hard to get rid of Trump and everyone with an R behind their name.

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@john258 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

@Panjandrum 

Or perhaps a trump induced evangelical  “rapture” may be taking place in the near future that we are not aware of?

Remember the spaceship hiding behind the comet!


Are you referring to the great liberal Minister Farrakhan and his "mother ship"?

 

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Minister_Louis_Farrakhan_9/article_101112.shtml


No he is referring to Pastor Jack and the other far right EV Christian pastors who support Trump and are out preaching this every day. We should not leave out their flock who eat all this up. They are told when he 7 years war with Russia starts they will all be taken to space by a large space ship to sit out, then return to world which is 100% far right Christian.


Sounds like something Jim Jones would say when he passed out the Kool Aid.

 

If that space ship picks up Trump and Pence, we should all be looking forward to it!

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@Panjandrum 

Or perhaps a trump induced evangelical  “rapture” may be taking place in the near future that we are not aware of?

Remember the spaceship hiding behind the comet!


Hopefully it's the mother ship coming back to pick up Trump!

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@Panjandrum wrote:

Trump is already lined up to be the worst president in our history and he seems hell bent on making sure he has that distinction. It will be hard for any future president to surpass his record.


In your biased OPINION!


Nope .... by factual evidence!

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Repealing the Waters of the United States rule – or WOTUS - would fulfill a campaign promise from President Donald Trump made to farmers, developers, and manufacturers who complained the rule was too onerous and expensive to comply with, and duplicated state and local rules.

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Trump is right on this.

So you wouldn't have a problem drinking the water from unregulated farm waste run off ..... or the water from rivers and streams that coal mines dump their waste into due to Trump's deregulation?

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