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Mick wrote-Trump created all the Turmoil in the US Argicultural & Manufacturing Industries because of his Poorly thought out and implemented Tarriff Strategy..................and now he want all US Tax Payers to Solve His Artificially Created Economic Chaos..........................-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is a win-win for everyone -farmers don`t lose money-we get cheaper food and money comes from new foreign tarrifs. What`s the downside?


Duh ...... you forgot to include that the cost of the tariffs will be passed on to the American consumer in the price of the imported goods, so the American consumer actually pays for the cost of the tariffs. Then all Americans pay the money given to the farmers to buy their votes for trump.  Lose, lose ........ no upside.


The objective is to use tariff negotiations to get parity for American producers - obviously a good thing all around.

 

BTW - do you think "Duh" makes a positive contribution to the exchange of ideas?

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Never expect a Trump Cult member to criticize his Supreme Leader for implementing welfare to try and solve part of a problem he created with his stupid trade war.

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Looks like Trump has really been taken by communist economic theory.


Tariffs are not "communist economic theory" - unless you can show otherwise.


I was talking about "work according to ability, paid according to need".  Tell me how Trump's financial support of his political base does NOT fit that description. 

 

“This is becoming more and more like a Soviet type of economy here: Commissars deciding who’s going to be granted waivers, commissars in the administration figuring out how they’re going to sprinkle around benefits,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.). “I’m very exasperated. This is serious.”


As I posted earlier, farm subsidies have been around for a long, long time and need serious looking at. But, as long as the laws are what they are, that is the framework in which the President must operate. Wouldn't want him to be a dictator would you?

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Tariffs are not "communist economic theory" - unless you can show otherwise.

 

 

But tariffs are taxes paid by the consumer of the goods, right?

Of course.

 

So Trump raises taxes, crashes and crushes farmers with them, then comes back to all the people he raised taxes on and says WE need to save the farmers from the mess TRUMP created.

 

Well I'm all for saving farmers and farms, but the 1% should give up their tax tax to save them.

 I believe you are referring to the tariff situation (or is it wealth redistribution?). Is parity for Americans not a worthy goal? 

 


Well in the past - you've characterized - Parity for Americans as - Socialism

 

Which is it?

 

 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looks like Trump has really been taken by communist economic theory.


Tariffs are not "communist economic theory" -

 

No, but according to you "wealth distribution" is..


 True. Do you disagree?


 

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@gruffstuff wrote:

Tariffs are not "communist economic theory" - unless you can show otherwise.

 

 

But tariffs are taxes paid by the consumer of the goods, right?

Of course.

 

So Trump raises taxes, crashes and crushes farmers with them, then comes back to all the people he raised taxes on and says WE need to save the farmers from the mess TRUMP created.

 

Well I'm all for saving farmers and farms, but the 1% should give up their tax tax to save them.

 I believe you are referring to the tariff situation (or is it wealth redistribution?). Is parity for Americans not a worthy goal? 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Looks like Trump has really been taken by communist economic theory.


Tariffs are not "communist economic theory" - unless you can show otherwise.


Perhaps not but Financial Chaos and Economic Instability is a Common Theme around the Rise to Power of Many Autocrats.............................

 

Trump is purposefully attempting to create this Scenario in the US right now - against the Advice and Counsel of the US Congres 

 


If attempting to get parity (tariff-wise) for American firms is a "way to autocracy", what do you suggest as an alternative?

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Mick wrote-Trump created all the Turmoil in the US Argicultural & Manufacturing Industries because of his Poorly thought out and implemented Tarriff Strategy..................and now he want all US Tax Payers to Solve His Artificially Created Economic Chaos..........................-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is a win-win for everyone -farmers don`t lose money-we get cheaper food and money comes from new foreign tarrifs. What`s the downside?


Duh ...... you forgot to include that the cost of the tariffs will be passed on to the American consumer in the price of the imported goods, so the American consumer actually pays for the cost of the tariffs. Then all Americans pay the money given to the farmers to buy their votes for trump.  Lose, lose ........ no upside.


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Let no one forget the Tax Cuts Trump rolled out. Now you see there are no tax cuts as all that money you are not paying to the Govt. you are paying in higher prices, and to bail out business being hurt by the Trump policy. This time it is Farmers, but there will be more. Sadly all the money going out to do this just increases the National Debt as there is no money on hand to cover the outflow. Remember the articles on the National Debt of a few months ago in here. Now what we were told comes true. They say most of the Farmers are for Trump, and are still for him, but they will take the handout.

 

Now you see how stupid this country has become. We all new this was going to happen, and were warned about it. The enablers said no it would not happen and as all Trump supporters they still defend what Dictator Trump is doing. We hear the same nonsense as before from them. The far right have not changed they destroy the USA.

 

We got just what we elected in Dictator Trump, and his enablers. The only thing we can do is not vote for anyone with an R behind their name in elections to come. We can also stop trying to have good back and forth with the enablers. Just tell them they are the enablers of Dictator Trump. Notice none of this is going to Congress to approve. The Dictator just buys votes for the next election. Very sad time for this country.

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@easyed598 wrote:

Mick wrote-Trump created all the Turmoil in the US Argicultural & Manufacturing Industries because of his Poorly thought out and implemented Tarriff Strategy..................and now he want all US Tax Payers to Solve His Artificially Created Economic Chaos..........................-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is a win-win for everyone -farmers don`t lose money-we get cheaper food and money comes from new foreign tarrifs. What`s the downside?


American Consumers Pay the increased costs created by Tariffs - we Americans enjoyed all that cheap stuff we could buy at Walmart - it all comes from China - everything Americans buy now after the Tariffs kick in - is going to cost way more - American Farmers have spent years developing Foreign Markets so they get to be competitive - their competiveness helps keep Domestic prices from skyrocketing and price fluctuations..............................it's a lose lose for everyone - 45 years ago when individual countries were producing and using their products in their own individual silos and Globalization wasn't in play - Trumps strategy may have worked - all commerce & supply chains is so entertwined today - it's impossible to push some button over here and have the predicted reaction over there 

 

 

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