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Trump Blows Up the Debate — and Himself

Trump blows up the debate — and himself

 

Former vice president Joe Biden entered the first presidential debate Tuesday night with a solid polling lead both nationally and in critical battleground states. With more states starting early and absentee voting each week, President Trump needed to shake up the race in a dramatic way.

 

Trump did neither, leaving Biden’s lead intact — or perhaps larger than ever.

 

When faced with questions about his actual record and policy, Trump threw up word salads, switched topics, made scurrilous accusations and convinced any rational viewer he is in over his head. He mostly interrupted, repeatedly and falsely accusing Biden of harboring positions that his more progressive opponents in the Democratic primaries held. Trump was a walking Twitter feed — no facts, all bluster and all insults. Unfortunately, moderator Chris Wallace was never able to control Trump, so the debate devolved into constant interruption.

 

Trump wound up arguing with Wallace, who correctly pointed out that Trump does not have a comprehensive health-care plan. Trump insisted he was lowering drug prices (he hasn’t) without addressing his lack of a replacement for Obamacare. Biden explained that he is not in sync with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Medicare-for-all, as Trump claimed. As Trump tried to interrupt again and again, Biden asked derisively, "Do you have any idea what this clown is doing?” At another point, Biden quietly said, “Will you shut up, man?” He made the point that Trump has never had a health-care plan.

 

Bizarrely, Republican operatives and conservative pundits prior to the debate seemed bent on lowering the bar for Biden, casting him as senile and feeble. Instead, Biden scored a TKO on Trump’s response to the covid-19 pandemic. He methodically walked through the horrendous statistics of death and illness from the disease. “It is what it is because you are who you are,” Biden said calmly. He reminded us that Trump told The Post’s Bob Woodward that the novel coronavirus was deadly just as he was telling the American people it was no worse than the flu. He said Trump thought Americans would panic, but that Trump was the one to panic. Trump wound up in another argument with Wallace over his own advisers who dispute Trump’s rosy timeline.

 
Moderator Chris Wallace struggled to prevent President Trump from repeatedly interrupting Joe Biden during the first presidential debate on Sept. 29. (Zach Purser Brown/The Washington Post)

At times, Trump just threw out insults to rattle Biden. (“Don’t ever use the word ‘smart’ with me,” the president said.) He insulted Biden for wearing masks too often. He defended his rallies, dismissing concerns about covid-19. He bragged about the size of his crowds, in effect admitting that he cared more about turnout at his events than about preventing the spread of the virus.

 

On the economy, Trump boasted of his “best-ever” economy, but Biden took the side of the little guy, pointing out that the economy may be bouncing back for the rich but not for ordinary workers.

 

Biden then threw Trump’s tax avoidance back in his face, after which Trump refused to confirm whether he paid $750 in federal taxes in 2016 and 2017, as the New York Times recently reported.

 

Trump then lied that he had relatively little debt (he reportedly owes $421 million) and insisted he paid “millions” in taxes. Biden heckled him, taunting him to release his tax returns.

 

Biden pointed to studies showing his own plan would create more jobs and grow faster under his proposals than under Trump’s. In response to Trump’s taunts, Biden said bluntly, “You are the worst president America has ever had.” Biden said they handed Trump a booming economy but Trump “blew it” and didn’t save manufacturing.

 

When Trump went after Biden’s son Hunter, Biden tried to respond only to be perpetually interrupted. Wallace tried to tell Trump to be quiet and chided him for interrupting. Still, Trump continued to speak over Biden. Wallace hollered at Trump, telling him no, he could not carry on about Biden’s child.

 

On the issue of race, Biden went through the list of Trump’s race-baiting and sympathizing with white supremacists. He sneered at Trump’s notion that he has been better for African Americans than any other president. Trump responded by dredging up the 1994 crime bill, listing his police endorsements and making wild accusations that Biden will not say the phrase “law and order.”

 

Biden calmly spoke about convening a conference on policing to bring all sides in, reiterating that violence is never appropriate. While Trump insisted he ended racial sensitivity training for federal workers because it was trying to make people “hate America,” Biden stressed there is racism and we need to address attitudes. Biden made a quiet but impassioned plea for unity, bashing Trump’s dog whistles aimed at the suburbs, making clear they are not lily-white as in the 1950s and defending community policing. Trump could only respond with insults and non sequiturs.

 

Biden was most convincing when he accused Trump of “pouring gasoline on the fire.” Wallace challenged Trump to condemn white militias and white supremacists, which Trump hedged and dodged. In fact, he seemed to cheer on a violent, white-supremacist group. (“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.”) It was possibly the worst moment of the debate.

 

Near the end, Biden accused Trump of being “Putin’s puppy” and criticized him for not confronting the Russian leader on placing bounties on U.S. troops. As Biden raised the issue of Trump’s insults to the military and his son Beau, Trump once more began ranting about Hunter Biden.

 

On climate change, Trump stuck to his line about blaming fires on poor forest management. He at one point conceded humans cause climate change but then reverted to his rant about forests. It’s this sort of mind-numbing stupidity that turns off the overwhelming majority of voters. Trump refused to give a coherent answer to explain his efforts to roll back gas mileage requirements and repeal Obama-era regulations. Biden explained his own plan for renewable energy and green construction (A plan! An actual policy!), but then Trump started spewing right-wing talking points about the Green New Deal. Biden calmly responded that his plan is not the Green New Deal.

 

Finally, on election integrity, Biden debunked specious claims about absentee and early voting, flat-out accusing Trump of trying to discredit the election. He dismissed Trump’s threats and antics, telling voters they have the power to vote Trump out. Trump then lashed out with unhinged accusations about President Barack Obama spying on his transition team, revealing just how nuts he is. And, proving Biden’s point, he tried to claim widespread mail-in ballots will amount to fraud.

 

“This is going to be fraud like you’ve never seen,” he said, evidencing the same contempt for voting that Biden had just accused him of harboring. Trump even went so far as to say he might have to ask the Supreme Court, with his new justice, to decide the election.

 

Chris Wallace, who vowed to make himself “invisible," actually got walked over, leading to a chaotic debate that was at times impossible to follow. He should have halted the debate or cut Trump’s microphone until he agreed to abide by the rules. Trump’s strategy was to be so obnoxious and aggressive that he could avoid answering questions and defending his record.

 

Trump’s job was to win over voters. It’s hard to believe anyone not already part of his cult would be persuaded to support a rude, blustering know-nothing. Biden remained calm and collected, showing off his knowledge and his normalcy. In this election, that puts him head and shoulders above Trump.

 

WINNER: Joe Biden

LOSERS: President Trump and Chris Wallace

  

Trump blows up the debate — and himself 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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In the aftermath of the off-the-rails debate, the Commission on Presidential Debates said in a Wednesday statement that it is mulling structural changes moving forward.

 

“Last night’s debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues,” the CPD said. “The CPD will be carefully considering the changes that it will adopt and will announce those measures shortly.” 

 

The CPD added that it is grateful for Chris Wallace moderating the debate, despite his failure to keep control.

“The Commission is grateful to Chris Wallace for the professionalism and skill he brought to last night’s debate and intends to ensure that additional tools to maintain order are in place for the remaining debates.”

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/us-election-news-09-30-20/index.html

 

Definitely.  Law and Order to monitor and control a raging lunatic.  At last.

It was comical to hear dt's version of his transition.  He didn't like law and order then either.  L&O has persecuted him from day one. 

This is a public shaming.  "Would you shut up, man?"  Biden not being the first to say this to him.  Better late than never is with us not for long.

 

I think Wallace wisely took one for the team.  Biden wouldn't have gotten to tell rumpi to shut up if he hadn't been given free reign to blow himself up.  So what, the next debate, on the world's stage, will be a test to see how well The Don can behave himself?  

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Unfortunately, I did not get to see the train wreck (debate) live last night.  But if Trump blew himself up in the process, good!  In fact, I will gladly send him a box of dynamite to finish the job.

 

BIDEN/HARRIS 2020

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@LydiaN586309 wrote:

Unfortunately, I did not get to see the train wreck (debate) live last night.  But if Trump blew himself up in the process, good!  In fact, I will gladly send him a box of dynamite to finish the job.

 

BIDEN/HARRIS 2020

 

Well, if you care to, here it is.  Warning, not suitable for mature respectable adults.  Best suited for political bigots and racists:

 


 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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tRump turned it into an adolescent clown show. He constantly butted in and interrupted, preventing any reasonable debate.  

 

IMO:

 

The commentator in the next debate needs to have control of the microphones, being able to turn each candidate's mic off after they speak for their two minutes. Ask a question, give two minutes to answer, shut mic off. Ask next candidate, two minutes shut mic off. The same thing should be done on one minute rebuttals. This is the only way to keep trump organized.

 

Instant fact checking shown in text across the bottom of the screen would also be a nice addition.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

tRump turned it into an adolescent clown show. He constantly butted in and interrupted, preventing any reasonable debate.  

 

IMO:

 

The commentator in the next debate needs to have control of the microphones, being able to turn each candidate's mic off after they speak for their two minutes. Ask a question, give two minutes to answer, shut mic off. Ask next candidate, two minutes shut mic off. The same thing should be done on one minute rebuttals. This is the only way to keep trump organized.

 

Instant fact checking shown in text across the bottom of the screen would also be a nice addition.


The Trump campaign insisted on zero live fact checking as part of his participation.  I think we should  have a continuous split screen so we can watch Trump rant with the microphone off as Biden calmly rebuts.

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At this point, as far as two more debates, let’s not be naive and think that trump will follow the rules, in fact he will probably be even more out of line and out of control. 
So let’s ask, do we want to give trump a platform to embarrass Our Country even further?

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:
Trump blows up the debate — and himself

 

 

 


Trump's 'Apocalypse Now' ......

Ahhhh ..... I love the smell of Trump destroying himself in the morning!

 

 

 

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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