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The fires are caused by fire which is caused by to many humans living in forested areas. Its caused by lighting. Its caused by camp fires. Its caused by arson's. Its caused by the tree huggers that sue our Forest service almost every time they want to log forests to reduce fuels that forest fires need to spread.



There are many causes for this years fires. Its not a new thing and we have had they for over a hundred of years. Long before global warming was a in thing.

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WRONG!

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Gee, I thought I made some actual reasons why we have forest fires. But I'am not a expert like Tom is. Sorry for may post Tom.

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@Tom5678 wrote:
WRONG! The fires are caused by years, decades of drought. Higher temps. every year and lack of rainfall, cause in large part by climate change.
https://abc7.com/what-causes-wildfires-cal-fire-california-ca/6381945/#:~:text=The%20top%20ignition%....

Not saying the fires are not caused by the drought, but the lack of forest management makes these fires worse. And the fires caused by downed transmission lines are caused by lack of management - not allowing clear cut around the transmission lines. A direct result of the California Legislation bending to the policies of the environmentalists.  

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WRONG! The fires are caused by years, decades of drought. Higher temps. every year and lack of rainfall, cause in large part by climate change.
https://abc7.com/what-causes-wildfires-cal-fire-california-ca/6381945/#:~:text=The%20top%20ignition%....
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The problem in California, and now Oregon and Washington is DROUGHT, caused by climate change. Cali. has been abnormally dry now for many many m,any years. OOPS!

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The fires are caused by fire which is caused by to many humans living in forested areas. Its caused by lighting. Its caused by camp fires. Its caused by arson's. Its caused by the tree huggers that sue our Forest service almost every time they want to log forests to reduce fuels that forest fires need to spread.

 

There are many causes for this years fires.  Its not a new thing and we have had they for over a hundred of years.  Long before global warming was a in thing.  

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Then unfortunately (for them) they should have been better prepared by limiting the possibility of a firestorm by managing the forest during that time - history and science has proven that proper forest management reduces the damage caused by fire. 

 

 Forest management that selectively removes trees to reduce fire risk, among other objectives (a practice referred to as “fuel treatments”), can maintain uneven-aged forest structure and create small openings in the forest. Under some conditions, this practice can help prevent large wildfires from spreading. Photo shows the effectiveness of fuel treatments in Arizona’s 2002 Rodeo-Chediski fire, which burned more than 400 square miles – at the time the worst fire in state history. Unburned area (left) had been managed with a treatment that removed commercial timber, thinned non-commercial-sized trees, and followed with prescribed fire in 1999. The right side of the photo shows burned area on the untreated slope below Limestone Ridge.

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mis management is a much smaller part of the deal no matter how much you deny years and years of lack of rain caused by a warming atmosphere I am sorry to say.
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@Tom5678 wrote:
The problem in California, and now Oregon and Washington is DROUGHT, caused by climate change. Cali. has been abnormally dry now for many many m,any years. OOPS!

The drought created the conditions to START the fires, but the MISMANAGEMENT of the forest is the reason for the massive burns happening in these states. Fires start in the same conditions in well managed forest environments, but they don't burn millions of acre's as a result. Without the massive amount of fuel available (due to the mismanagement) they burn out quicker and are easier to control. 

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The problem in California, and now Oregon and Washington is DROUGHT, caused by climate change. Cali. has been abnormally dry now for many many m,any years. OOPS!
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@schlomo wrote:

Trump has issued an emergency declaration because hurricane Sandy imminently threatens Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi, three Red States. It took Trump almost a month to address the horrific fires in California, Oregon, and Washington: three Blue States. If this isn't political posturing, what is?


Good point! 

And Trump ludicrously blames the Forest Service for the fires because they did not clean the forest floors ..... more bull manure political posturing to avoid the real cause ...... GLOBAL WARMING!!!

 

 

 

How will California prevent more mega-wildfire disasters?

Sasha Berleman walks through 10 acres of burned woods in a coastal forest about 26 miles north of San Francisco, California. A fire ecologist for the conservation organization Audubon Canyon Ranch, she and a crew of 40 firefighters and trained volunteers had set the area ablaze three weeks earlier. Now she’s looking for signs of regeneration.

Berleman’s team was using low-intensity ground fire to remove a thick carpet of fallen pine needles and broken, sawed-off branches that littered the forest floor. The fire also took out small trees and shrubs that could have served as fuel ladders, bringing fire into the larger trees’ canopies. This formerly dense forest now looks like a wooded park, with wide spaces between the large trees, many scorched but still alive, and a few dead snags that will be left standing for woodpeckers and other cavity nesters. Native needle grass, blackberry, and coffeeberry are beginning to sprout out of the ashy soil

“Prescribed fires” like this are part of Audubon Canyon’s “Fire Forward” program. Berleman, who leads it, is among the growing number of scientists, conservationists, foresters, loggers, first responders, and impassioned citizens who are betting heavily on the use of low-intensity fire as a major tool to better steward the state’s increasingly flammable forests, grasslands, and chaparral.

The goal is to restore those ecosystems to how they were in past centuries, when fires caused by lightning burned undisturbed. Ironically, the suppression of naturally occurring fire has contributed to more intense, catastrophic fires throughout the state.

“There is no ‘no smoke, no fire’ solution to what’s going on,” says Berleman. “We’re going to have fire no matter what, so let’s do a slew of fires that we can love. If we do that, we can still probably work our way out of the problem we’re in now.”

A growing problem

Over several decades, fires in the West—particularly in California—have been growing in size and intensity, and have been particularly devastating in the last three to five years. Many factors have contributed. First, one hundred years of misguided forest management aimed at total fire suppression has eliminated the role of natural fire on the landscape, allowing two to four times the normal amount of woody fuel to accumulate even as the biggest, healthiest, most fire-resistant trees were being logged out.

In addition, California’s population has about doubled since 1970, from 20 million to almost 40 million, leading to unprecedented sprawl along what’s called the wildland-urban interface (WUI), putting millions more people in harm’s way.

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/12/how-will-california-prevent-more-mega-wildfire-di...

 

The problem causing California's massive wildfire's is California's unwillingness to manage their forest's. No clear cut zone around power lines, no thinning out of forest growth, no maintenance of ground cover in the forest including controlled burns to reduce dead fall - in other words the rabid environmentalists in the legislature are the cause. 

As for global warming, what are we in now the 10th or 11th phase? Blame those who actually contributed to the problem, the California Legislature. 

 

Our 4.54-billion-year-old planet probably experienced its hottest temperatures in its earliest days, when it was still colliding with other rocky debris (planetesimals) careening around the solar system. The heat of these collisions would have kept Earth molten, with top-of-the-atmosphere temperatures upward of 3,600° Fahrenheit.

Even after those first scorching millennia, however, the planet has often been much warmer than it is now. One of the warmest times was during the geologic period known as the Neoproterozoic, between 600 and 800 million years ago. Conditions were also frequently sweltering between 500 million and 250 million years ago. And within the last 100 million years, two major heat spikes occurred: the Cretaceous Hot Greenhouse (about 92 million years ago), and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (about 56 million years ago).

 

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

 

 

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@schlomo wrote:

Trump has issued an emergency declaration because hurricane Sandy imminently threatens Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi, three Red States. It took Trump almost a month to address the horrific fires in California, Oregon, and Washington: three Blue States. If this isn't political posturing, what is?


Good point! 

And Trump ludicrously blames the Forest Service for the fires because they did not clean the forest floors ..... more bull manure political posturing to avoid the real cause ...... GLOBAL WARMING!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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