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‘Those jobs will all be back,’ Trump vows

I see a future "I told you so" in the making. Once again Trump is selling unicorns and rainbows when he should be putting together solid policies and working to supply hospitals. 

 

 

  • As states slowly reopen, 77 percent of laid-off U.S. workers believe they will get their jobs back after the crisis. But economists warn that over 40 percent of job losses could become permanent.
  • With the confirmed U.S. death toll surpassing 75,000, researchers are warning of an additional 75,000 “deaths of despair.”
  • The White House ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to revise its “overly specific” reopening guidelines.
  • Frustrated doctors say some hospitals with surges of coronavirus patients haven’t been able to get remdesivir, an experimental drug that is the first and only treatment for covid-19.
  • Millions of children in the world’s poorest countries may never return to school after the pandemic ends, according to international development experts.
  • Seattle’s mayor said 20 miles of streets that were shut to provide more space for social distancing will remain closed to through traffic after the city’s stay-at-home orders end.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/08/coronavirus-update-us/ 

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So, at the end of the day, the jobs will come back.  We just do not know which day or how long in the future that will be.  Based on past history, it will be under one or more Democratic administrations. 

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@myexper 

You are spot on...what is taking place is normal trump and trump supporter action...when not able to answer a question, then deny, deflect, distract. 
Or take an opinion and claim that it is fact, when it is not fact. Or make something up out of thin air, to create chaos, waste other’s time with word play, and then they say to provide proof to them.  
Take your pick from the word salad menu that was exhibited. 
And you provided the proof...bravo!

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Despite Trump's positive rant about all of the jobs coming back, I find his promise to be a flawed declaration because "all" of the jobs will definitely not be coming back.  Many companies will use this disastrous time as a reason to reduce costs and who or "how" better than by cutting jobs and payroll.  And further, many businesses have shuttered doors which will never reopen.  So those jobs will also thus be permanently lost.

 

But what troubles me most is the fact that not only are these jobs forever lost, but the great loss of life; the lives of tens of thousands of our fellow Americans who may not have had to die if our so-called Commander and Chief had enacted ANY KIND OF OFFENSIVE to thwart the forewarned pandemic which has now gripped us and the world.

 

But alas, this is what we get for having a man in the White House who more than likely never took a test or wrote a paper on his own despite going to the "best schools" (of which he oft bragged); proving again and again that he is little more than himself a fool holding us and our nation hostage..

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Those jobs will all be back,’ Trump vows

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Those jobs will all be back..yes most of them.


Washington Post...figures

What is sad is that our Presidents job is to keep encouraging us, yet we have people that seem to hope the sky is falling and will say its Trump's fault...I see it on this board...people more or less are hoping that things like our economy are bad so they can get their people in office..you know who you are and shame on you.
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‘Those jobs will all be back,’ Trump vows 

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Trump strikes lies again!

 

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Lydia said:

Trump strikes lies again!

 

Never mind Trump. Look at what AOC wants to do with her legislation.  She wants everyone to not work until three months after the pandemic is over and during that time, the government will pay out $2,000 per month for each family member.  The left strikes again!

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/tim-ryan-2000-coronavirus-stimulus-do-more-for-working-class-2020-4

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NOTHAPPENING wrote:

 

Never mind Trump. Look at what AOC wants to do with her legislation.  She wants everyone to not work until three months after the pandemic is over and during that time, the government will pay out $2,000 per month for each family member.  The left strikes again!

 

myexper replied:

 

Amazing ..... Where was your outrage when Trump gave trillions in tax cuts to the most wealthy and wealthy corporations under the guise of creating jobs. Instead of creating any jobs, most all of the corporations used their colossal tax cuts to buy back their stock and make their owners and officers even more wealthy!

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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myexper replied:

Amazing ..... Where was your outrage when Trump gave trillions in tax cuts to the most wealthy and wealthy corporations under the guise of creating jobs. Instead of creating any jobs, most all of the corporations used their colossal tax cuts to buy back their stock and make their owners and officers even more wealthy!

 

 

All Americans got those tax decreases (even you) along with the corporations which incentivized many of them to expand their operations and even hire more people.  Don't you like when the corporations create more jobs and pay higher salaries with those tax cuts.  The left wants to incentivize not working because the new AOC plan will give each person in the household $2,000 per month or a family of four $96,000!!!!  Where is the incentive to work with that kind income where the person is producing NOTHING?  Do you like Socialism or Communism?

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NOTHAPPENING wrote in purple and red:

 

myexper replied in blue:

 

myexper replied:

Amazing ..... Where was your outrage when Trump gave trillions in tax cuts to the most wealthy and wealthy corporations under the guise of creating jobs. Instead of creating any jobs, most all of the corporations used their colossal tax cuts to buy back their stock and make their owners and officers even more wealthy!

 

 

All Americans got those tax decreases (even you)

Not "all Americans" NOTHAPPENING!

About 30% of Americans received no tax cut or actually had their taxes increased.  And those middle class Americans that did get some sort of tax cut received only a paltry amount.

 

 

along with the corporations which incentivized many of them to expand their operations and even hire more people.

Most ALL corporations used their colossal tax cuts to buy back their stock .... allowing their owners and officers to become even more wealthy when they sold their inflated stocks!

 

 

  Don't you like when the corporations create more jobs and pay higher salaries with those tax cuts.

But that's not what happened.

Once again .... Most ALL corporations used their colossal tax cuts to buy back their stock .... allowing their owners and officers to become even more wealthy when they sold their inflated stocks!

 

 

The left wants to incentivize not working because the new AOC plan will give each person in the household $2,000 per month or a family of four $96,000!!!!  Where is the incentive to work with that kind income where the person is producing NOTHING?

The same place as wealthy corporations and wealthy individuals who received colossal tax cuts for "producing NOTHING"!

 

 

Do you like Socialism or Communism?

A straw man argument contained within a question.

The question would, however, be correctly posed to yourself as, unlike yourself, I do not support Trump who worships and praises ruthless Communist dictators!

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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tRump supporters have been believing his lies for over three years now. There is no indication that this will ever stop. It's up to the rest of America's electorate to get out and vote so that the majority of America's voice is heard, removing this vile social cancer from our White House.

 

After trump is removed from office the only way for America to gain face back in the world is for New York and the Federal Government to indict, prosecute and imprison him.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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   Gee, I sat in on a conference at Beckers ( a hospital web site) which spoke to the reality that the stay at home folks will not have an office to return to:   It saves money - no rent, no cleaners, no electricity, etc.  

 

   Sadly the RW can only focus on coal - while ignoring the bankrupt companies....but I digress.

 

   Only the ignoble donald supporters will not notice that he never said when....sorry to burst their bubble, but it will take a friggin long time as many companies that laid off workers are no longer in business.... what is donald going to do:   demand that businesses reopen....and then have his goon squad start knocking on doors and demand people go shopping / to the movies / ignore social distancing and spend money in bars?   

PRO-LIFE is Affordable Healthcare for ALL .
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‘Those jobs will all be back,’ Trump vows

 

People who actually know what they're talking about say otherwise.

Social Butterfly

Those Jobs will be back once Trump is out of the White House.

He is Potomac Poision in Washington and Wall Street.

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But his job will be long gone before that happens.

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Who amongst Us are idiots enough to believe anything that trump says, especially the unicorns and rainbows scenario. 
Opening up small businesses, seems to be a no win for the business and it’s employees. This is not, build it and they will come, the general public is very skeptical. How many businesses can survive with only 25-50% of their business when open, or even less. Then add in employees who might come back lose their benefits, if they have any, only to possibly be laid off again. 
And that’s if everything goes well. What happens if the infection rate rises again 

and businesses shut down again. 

One possible partial answer, testing!

trump has promised more tests again and again, and lies again and again...

that’s the sociopath way...that’s trump!

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‘Those jobs will all be back,’ Trump vows

 

Sure .... just like "beautiful coal will be back"!

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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@myexper 

Yes, the “beautiful clean, clean coal”!

Rick Wilson is right...everything that trump touches, dies. 
Just like the 75,000 that will never work again, have time with their families, enjoy time with friends, or have a right to pass away from old age!

trump “touched” them, didn’t he. 

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23.5% of the electricity YOU use is generated burning coal!  You don't like coal? Call your electric company up and tell them you DON'T want service!

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How many jobs  realistically anyone here thinks that will come back? and how long will it take for those that will return to come back.? 
What industries will come back and what industries will not come back or will come back at a reduced capacity?

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Roxanna35   How many jobs  realistically anyone here thinks that will come back? and how long will it take for those that will return to come back.? 
What industries will come back and what industries will not come back or will come back at a reduced capacity?

 

One current theory among economists is that we will see a "W" shaped recovery with a quick bounce after the states lift stay-at-home orders and then another crash and recovery when they have to shut down a second time. 

 

The other theory is that it will look like the Nike Swoop with a big bounce and then a crash and then a LONG slow recovery because people will not trust the government's information after the second shut down.  Another gift of the Trump administration. 

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None of any sort of recovery will be smooth sailing. Many jobs may not return. All of this will be all the worse because trump will continue to lie and blame others...whether for the continued virus spread, or the continued decline of the economy. 
Presidents historically have done better when they display empathy for people, and are honest with the citizens of the US. 

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NOTHAPPENING:   23.5% of the electricity YOU use is generated burning coal!  You don't like coal? Call your electric company up and tell them you DON'T want service!

 

 

You missed the point entirely. Can you figure what it was?

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NOTHAPPENING:   23.5% of the electricity YOU use is generated burning coal!  You don't like coal? Call your electric company up and tell them you DON'T want service!

 

Panjandrum wrote:

You missed the point entirely. Can you figure what it was?

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Uh ........ of course not !


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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The "point here is", Chasky wants the use of coal to soar up from 23.5% to 50%.  Tell your electric company you support coal!

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NOTHAPPENING worte:

 

"The "point here is", Chasky wants the use of coal to soar up from 23.5% to 50%.  Tell your electric company you support coal!"

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Coal use is continuing to slide downhill and will fade into the sunset, just as it should. I have never supported the use of coal and I never will.

 


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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Chasky said:

Coal use is continuing to slide downhill and will fade into the sunset, just as it should. I have never supported the use of coal and I never will.

 

I agree and it will continue to slide as it should as long as there is a cheaper cleaner way!

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NOTHAPPENING 

Chasky said:

Coal use is continuing to slide downhill and will fade into the sunset, just as it should. I have never supported the use of coal and I never will.

 

I agree and it will continue to slide as it should as long as there is a cheaper cleaner way!

 

Agreed but the point would be that the jobs are going away and not returning. Trump promised the coal communities that coal jobs would come back. Any businessman, including the coal mine owners, would know coal is too expensive and too dirty in today's world.  Trump tried to keep coal jobs by making America less competitive but market forces stopped that very quickly.  The only good news is that he will now have to explain to the communities why he did not keep his promises.  They won't accept more unicorns and rainbows from him. 

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Richva said: Agreed but the point would be that the jobs are going away and not returning. Trump promised the coal communities that coal jobs would come back. Any businessman, including the coal mine owners, would know coal is too expensive and too dirty in today's world.  Trump tried to keep coal jobs by making America less competitive but market forces stopped that very quickly.  The only good news is that he will now have to explain to the communities why he did not keep his promises.  They won't accept more unicorns and rainbows from him. 

 

As the demand for coal decreases, the number of jobs in the coal (mining) industry will dwindle.  They are NOT going away instantly so many of those coal jobs will exist for some time.  Every electricity producing method has its drawbacks.

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I’ll take a guess Panj, or throw in the alternatives. What trump supporters do not grasp to convert from coal to clean energy sources:

-Increase of good paying jobs
-Easily renewable energy sources

-increase of manufacturing numbers

-World leadership in clean energy

-A cleaner environment 

-Renewed public confidence of doing 

  something positive for society 

 

Promoting coal is just a negative, bad choice...there are alternatives...

and trump is just a liar!

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