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Seems our wingers BS Filters are in cronic failure mode. They think pointing out the people running Corporations have serious problems in the decency and patriotism areas and THEY, not the Government, are responsible for the movement of millions of good jobs to commie slaves in Asia, the 30-year stagnation of worker's wages here in the USA and the redistribution of income and wealth from the middle class to the very top of the 1% means we don't like the stuff corporations produce.

 

Untrue. In the case of Big Pharma, the fact they haven't managed to cure anything since polio and think 5000% price hikes for drugs CHILDREN literally cannot live without is "just good business" renders the ones running the corporation soulless pond scum in the eyes of any rational observer. Nearly as bad are the people who think killing an additional 1,400 Americans every year so they can sell coal at a higher price and other people who DIRECT their corporations to poison 9,000 people each year, mostly the very young and very old, so their food processing profits are maximized.

 

See, it is one of the great Truths of the modern era that Capitalism creates the best "stuff" and the WORST PEOPLE of any system thus far invented my Man. It's all those WORST PEOPLE running the corporations that are the target of our reprehension and disgust, not the nice phones, stereos, cars, clothes et al or the buildings, machinery and workers used to produce them.

 

In case you haven't noticed, people in LOTS of countries also have easy access to all the great stuff comming from our corporations, but they don't put up with letting the ones running the corporations kill us in great numbers or the Republican politicians who pass the laws that allow the killing to continue.


As I understand your repeated over and over and over and over position, since we paid our workers less the jobs went overseas. On the other hand, had it cost our corporations more to produce products here, they would have continued to make it here.

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@mickstuder wrote:

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Let's all turn on our BS filters and deal with reality.

 

A Corporation is a legal construct that allows people to invest in an enterprise and limit their liability to the amount invested. It is NOT a person in any sense of the word, and therefore has no "personality" good or bad.

 

The people running the Corporation, on the other hand, are entirely human and, in general, rich, greedy, rapacious, sexist and good friends with lots of others sharing those traits, which is the most significant factor in them holding the leadership position that makes them able to divert most of the profits created by the employees of the corporation into their own pockets, with the rest dribbling down to the next several levels of management while the owners and workers share a few crumbs.

 

It was not always that way. From 1936 until around 1970, the people running the companies passed most of the profits back to the workers who created them, and relied on the increased effort that the good treatment brought out in the workforce to increase the value of their ownership interest (stocks) AND to drive the economy to ever greater heights by stimulating CONSUMPTION.

 

Now Repuiblicans have done for the Corporate Oligarchs what Reagan did for their ancestors - eliminate the connection between their tax burden and the burden their operation places on the society as a whole.  The Corporate Oligarchs did with their huge tax scam windfall exactly what their ancestors did with the personal income taxscam windfall - THEY POCKETED IT! Either directly by giving themselves huge bonuses or by using the money to repurchase outstanding shares of company stock thereby artificially increasing the value of their personal holdings and options.

 

If you want the middle class to benefit from a tax change, increase taxes on the top 10% and reduce them on the bottom 90%, NOT visa-versa as the Republicans always do.

 

The absurd notion that somehow having Corporations contribute LESS will somehow benefit the society as a whole should by now have been consigned to the dustbin of stupid ideas by the overwhelming weight of evidence provided by actual experience.

 

But Republicans no longer live in the real world, having given that up for the mindless fog of Fox, Breightbart, Infowars and National Enquirer nonsense.

 

Time to remove Republicans from office and replace them with people dedicated to solving real problems for real people.

 


Once you get rid of all those evil corporations, who is going to create the factories and organize the large numbers of service and/or technical people needed? It takes a lot of money to create those things used by the techs as mentioned the op - how will that happen without the corporations to invest, create, organize and produce?


Please show us - Exactly Where - anyone in this Thread is advocating - "GETTING RID OF ALL EVIL CORPORATIONS" ?

 

This is a Typical Ploy by this Author

 

Someone says - maybe we should take a look at how the system works - opens up discussion on Large Greedy Corporations

 

And now we are being asked to defend a suggestion No One Made

 

Getting Rid Of All Evil Corporations

 

The only thing missing so far is the Claims that anyone suggesting we change anything in the Status Quo is surely advocating for Marxist Communism - but I'm sure that Gun is being loaded as we speak.........................

 

 

Well, I can't imagine why anyone would want to keep "Those Greedy Bad Corporations".

 

So, what do you want to do with them?



Well, I can't imagine why anyone would believe a Corporation can express or espouse human emotions. ITS THE OLIGARCHS RUNNING THEM who need to be subjected to some serious attitude adjustment in the form of actual regulation and a restoration of the rational tax structure that allowed many of those same Corporations to participate in the expansion of the middle class and the constant shrinking of the gap between rich and poor.

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Seems our wingers BS Filters are in cronic failure mode. They think pointing out the people running Corporations have serious problems in the decency and patriotism areas and THEY, not the Government, are responsible for the movement of millions of good jobs to commie slaves in Asia, the 30-year stagnation of worker's wages here in the USA and the redistribution of income and wealth from the middle class to the very top of the 1% means we don't like the stuff corporations produce.

 

Untrue. In the case of Big Pharma, the fact they haven't managed to cure anything since polio and think 5000% price hikes for drugs CHILDREN literally cannot live without is "just good business" renders the ones running the corporation soulless pond scum in the eyes of any rational observer. Nearly as bad are the people who think killing an additional 1,400 Americans every year so they can sell coal at a higher price and other people who DIRECT their corporations to poison 9,000 people each year, mostly the very young and very old, so their food processing profits are maximized.

 

See, it is one of the great Truths of the modern era that Capitalism creates the best "stuff" and the WORST PEOPLE of any system thus far invented my Man. It's all those WORST PEOPLE running the corporations that are the target of our reprehension and disgust, not the nice phones, stereos, cars, clothes et al or the buildings, machinery and workers used to produce them.

 

In case you haven't noticed, people in LOTS of countries also have easy access to all the great stuff comming from our corporations, but they don't put up with letting the ones running the corporations kill us in great numbers or the Republican politicians who pass the laws that allow the killing to continue.

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The amusement value on these AARP community rants is priceless -esepcially the people that hate big corporations, big banks, but love big government. Yes we all view and read these opinions on our computers or cell phones made by big corporations, communicate via the internet over big corporation transmission cell towers or system providers. An the beauty of it all is when your heads are ready to explode with your hate and anger, you can depend on other big pharmaceutical corporations to supply you like Merck with valium - which it appears many of you really need.

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@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Let's all turn on our BS filters and deal with reality.

 

A Corporation is a legal construct that allows people to invest in an enterprise and limit their liability to the amount invested. It is NOT a person in any sense of the word, and therefore has no "personality" good or bad.

 

The people running the Corporation, on the other hand, are entirely human and, in general, rich, greedy, rapacious, sexist and good friends with lots of others sharing those traits, which is the most significant factor in them holding the leadership position that makes them able to divert most of the profits created by the employees of the corporation into their own pockets, with the rest dribbling down to the next several levels of management while the owners and workers share a few crumbs.

 

It was not always that way. From 1936 until around 1970, the people running the companies passed most of the profits back to the workers who created them, and relied on the increased effort that the good treatment brought out in the workforce to increase the value of their ownership interest (stocks) AND to drive the economy to ever greater heights by stimulating CONSUMPTION.

 

Now Repuiblicans have done for the Corporate Oligarchs what Reagan did for their ancestors - eliminate the connection between their tax burden and the burden their operation places on the society as a whole.  The Corporate Oligarchs did with their huge tax scam windfall exactly what their ancestors did with the personal income taxscam windfall - THEY POCKETED IT! Either directly by giving themselves huge bonuses or by using the money to repurchase outstanding shares of company stock thereby artificially increasing the value of their personal holdings and options.

 

If you want the middle class to benefit from a tax change, increase taxes on the top 10% and reduce them on the bottom 90%, NOT visa-versa as the Republicans always do.

 

The absurd notion that somehow having Corporations contribute LESS will somehow benefit the society as a whole should by now have been consigned to the dustbin of stupid ideas by the overwhelming weight of evidence provided by actual experience.

 

But Republicans no longer live in the real world, having given that up for the mindless fog of Fox, Breightbart, Infowars and National Enquirer nonsense.

 

Time to remove Republicans from office and replace them with people dedicated to solving real problems for real people.

 


Once you get rid of all those evil corporations, who is going to create the factories and organize the large numbers of service and/or technical people needed? It takes a lot of money to create those things used by the techs as mentioned the op - how will that happen without the corporations to invest, create, organize and produce?


Please show us - Exactly Where - anyone in this Thread is advocating - "GETTING RID OF ALL EVIL CORPORATIONS" ?

 

This is a Typical Ploy by this Author

 

Someone says - maybe we should take a look at how the system works - opens up discussion on Large Greedy Corporations

 

And now we are being asked to defend a suggestion No One Made

 

Getting Rid Of All Evil Corporations

 

The only thing missing so far is the Claims that anyone suggesting we change anything in the Status Quo is surely advocating for Marxist Communism - but I'm sure that Gun is being loaded as we speak.........................

 

 

Well, I can't imagine why anyone would want to keep "Those Greedy Bad Corporations".

 

So, what do you want to do with them?


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Perhaps on different levels, some things don’t change.

Whether corporations, society, government, children, or dogs...all need good rules to follow and be given good role models to follow. There are parameters for all of us to follow, for the good of everyone. To let any have no rules and left to do whatever they want, will produce big problems and a mess for all to fix. 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Let's all turn on our BS filters and deal with reality.

 

A Corporation is a legal construct that allows people to invest in an enterprise and limit their liability to the amount invested. It is NOT a person in any sense of the word, and therefore has no "personality" good or bad.

 

The people running the Corporation, on the other hand, are entirely human and, in general, rich, greedy, rapacious, sexist and good friends with lots of others sharing those traits, which is the most significant factor in them holding the leadership position that makes them able to divert most of the profits created by the employees of the corporation into their own pockets, with the rest dribbling down to the next several levels of management while the owners and workers share a few crumbs.

 

It was not always that way. From 1936 until around 1970, the people running the companies passed most of the profits back to the workers who created them, and relied on the increased effort that the good treatment brought out in the workforce to increase the value of their ownership interest (stocks) AND to drive the economy to ever greater heights by stimulating CONSUMPTION.

 

Now Repuiblicans have done for the Corporate Oligarchs what Reagan did for their ancestors - eliminate the connection between their tax burden and the burden their operation places on the society as a whole.  The Corporate Oligarchs did with their huge tax scam windfall exactly what their ancestors did with the personal income taxscam windfall - THEY POCKETED IT! Either directly by giving themselves huge bonuses or by using the money to repurchase outstanding shares of company stock thereby artificially increasing the value of their personal holdings and options.

 

If you want the middle class to benefit from a tax change, increase taxes on the top 10% and reduce them on the bottom 90%, NOT visa-versa as the Republicans always do.

 

The absurd notion that somehow having Corporations contribute LESS will somehow benefit the society as a whole should by now have been consigned to the dustbin of stupid ideas by the overwhelming weight of evidence provided by actual experience.

 

But Republicans no longer live in the real world, having given that up for the mindless fog of Fox, Breightbart, Infowars and National Enquirer nonsense.

 

Time to remove Republicans from office and replace them with people dedicated to solving real problems for real people.

 


Once you get rid of all those evil corporations, who is going to create the factories and organize the large numbers of service and/or technical people needed? It takes a lot of money to create those things used by the techs as mentioned the op - how will that happen without the corporations to invest, create, organize and produce?


Please show us - Exactly Where - anyone in this Thread is advocating - "GETTING RID OF ALL EVIL CORPORATIONS" ?

 

This is a Typical Ploy by this Author

 

Someone says - maybe we should take a look at how the system works - opens up discussion on Large Greedy Corporations

 

And now we are being asked to defend a suggestion No One Made

 

Getting Rid Of All Evil Corporations

 

The only thing missing so far is the Claims that anyone suggesting we change anything in the Status Quo is surely advocating for Marxist Communism - but I'm sure that Gun is being loaded as we speak.........................

 

 

 

 

 

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@10BlueMule71 wrote:

With Amazon backing out of NYC - much talk on news stations about how small businesses hire more people and is the growth engine of our economy - and how big corporations are greedy and bad.

 

A while back I called a heating system repair company to come fix my house heater, small business, 8 employees the tech told me.

 

He pulled up in his Ford van, pulled out his Craftsman tools with Simpson test equipment, worked on my American Standard heater and replaced a bad circuit board made by Honeywell.

 

The landscaper and his helper pulled in with his Dodge truck, pulling his Gates trailer, rolled off his Toro lawnmower and all his Echo weedwacker and hedging equipment.

 

Even my dentist couldn't run his small business without all the big corporation equipment he uses.

 

Yes, small businesses employ more people, but majority couldn't exist without large corporation products and support - keep that in mind. Most products in your home and financial benefits from mortgages to pension funds depend on investments with larger companies.


I think you're missing the Point!

 

These Greedy Bad Large Corporations Are Not Good for the Small Businesses or the Consumer

 

Simply Because the ones we should be talking about are Monopolies and Destroying Competition

 

It there are 500 - Greedy Bad Large Corporations - making the Tools & Equipment for all the Small Businesses - then the Craftsman Tools - The Simpson Test Equipment - the Toro Lawnmowers - the Echo weedwacker - the Gates Trailer Company - even to some extent the Ford Van...................they ALL used to have Competition - that improves Quality and Reduces Costs to the Small Businessman & Consumer

 

Today almost all the Brand Names you mentioned are still available for purchase but they are all made by the same Chinese Company who simply slaps a different name on the same Tool

 

Monopoly corporations are the primary reason that drug prices in the United States are higher than anywhere else in the world. Whether we like it or not, a company like Equifax can gather data about us, and then blithely take insufficient cybersecurity measures, exposing half the country to the risk of identity fraud, and then charge us for but a partial restoration of the security that we had before a major breach.

 

There has been an increase in the market power and concentration of a few firms in industry after industry, leading to an increase in prices relative to costs (in mark-ups). This lowers the standard of living every bit as much as it lowers workers’ wages.

 

Source - https://www.thenation.com/article/america-has-a-monopoly-problem-and-its-huge/

 

The Fewest Number of Corporations in 40 Years

 

The U.S. loses about 60,000 corporations per year and has lost about 1 million corporations since the Tax Reform Act of 1986.

 

These include the declining fortunes of rural America as farmers struggle against agriculture conglomerates. It includes the fading of heartland cities like Memphis and Minneapolis as corporate giants in coastal cities buy out local banks and businesses. It includes plunging rates of entrepreneurship and innovation as concentrated markets choke off independent businesses and new start-ups. It includes falling real wages, as decades of mergers have reduced the need for employers to compete to attract and retain workers.

 

Monopoly is a main driver of inequality, as profits concentrate more wealth in the hands of the few. The effects of monopoly enrage voters in their day-to-day lives, as they face the sky-high prices set by drug-company cartels and the abuses of cable providers, health insurers, and airlines. Monopoly provides much of the funds the wealthy use to distort American politics.

 

Source - https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/antimonopoly-big-business/514358/

 

 

One FIX might be TO pull a "MA BELL" on all those corporations and make them disappear EACH replaced by 50 - 100 - what - SMALLER entities.

 

Or DO you HAVE another solution?

 


 

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Well have no fear, conservatives, the big corporations are doing just fine, and so are their CEOs (along with their other top-tiered executives). The top 30 corporate CEOs in the country are all north of $20 million in annual compensation according to this study by USA today from last April, while most of the corporations are listing profits in terms of billion$. Yep, those poor suffering creatures sure needed that tax cut. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/04/05/highest-paid-ceos-americas-100-largest-comp...

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@10BlueMule71 wrote:

With Amazon backing out of NYC - much talk on news stations about how small businesses hire more people and is the growth engine of our economy - and how big corporations are greedy and bad.

 

A while back I called a heating system repair company to come fix my house heater, small business, 8 employees the tech told me.

 

He pulled up in his Ford van, pulled out his Craftsman tools with Simpson test equipment, worked on my American Standard heater and replaced a bad circuit board made by Honeywell.

 

The landscaper and his helper pulled in with his Dodge truck, pulling his Gates trailer, rolled off his Toro lawnmower and all his Echo weedwacker and hedging equipment.

 

Even my dentist couldn't run his small business without all the big corporation equipment he uses.

 

Yes, small businesses employ more people, but majority couldn't exist without large corporation products and support - keep that in mind. Most products in your home and financial benefits from mortgages to pension funds depend on investments with larger companies.


I think you're missing the Point!

 

These Greedy Bad Large Corporations Are Not Good for the Small Businesses or the Consumer

 

Simply Because the ones we should be talking about are Monopolies and Destroying Competition

 

It there are 500 - Greedy Bad Large Corporations - making the Tools & Equipment for all the Small Businesses - then the Craftsman Tools - The Simpson Test Equipment - the Toro Lawnmowers - the Echo weedwacker - the Gates Trailer Company - even to some extent the Ford Van...................they ALL used to have Competition - that improves Quality and Reduces Costs to the Small Businessman & Consumer

 

Today almost all the Brand Names you mentioned are still available for purchase but they are all made by the same Chinese Company who simply slaps a different name on the same Tool

 

Monopoly corporations are the primary reason that drug prices in the United States are higher than anywhere else in the world. Whether we like it or not, a company like Equifax can gather data about us, and then blithely take insufficient cybersecurity measures, exposing half the country to the risk of identity fraud, and then charge us for but a partial restoration of the security that we had before a major breach.

 

There has been an increase in the market power and concentration of a few firms in industry after industry, leading to an increase in prices relative to costs (in mark-ups). This lowers the standard of living every bit as much as it lowers workers’ wages.

 

Source - https://www.thenation.com/article/america-has-a-monopoly-problem-and-its-huge/

 

The Fewest Number of Corporations in 40 Years

 

The U.S. loses about 60,000 corporations per year and has lost about 1 million corporations since the Tax Reform Act of 1986.

 

These include the declining fortunes of rural America as farmers struggle against agriculture conglomerates. It includes the fading of heartland cities like Memphis and Minneapolis as corporate giants in coastal cities buy out local banks and businesses. It includes plunging rates of entrepreneurship and innovation as concentrated markets choke off independent businesses and new start-ups. It includes falling real wages, as decades of mergers have reduced the need for employers to compete to attract and retain workers.

 

Monopoly is a main driver of inequality, as profits concentrate more wealth in the hands of the few. The effects of monopoly enrage voters in their day-to-day lives, as they face the sky-high prices set by drug-company cartels and the abuses of cable providers, health insurers, and airlines. Monopoly provides much of the funds the wealthy use to distort American politics.

 

Source - https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/antimonopoly-big-business/514358/

 

 

 

 

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