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It is a federal crime to employ a foreigner that does not have a work permit.

 

Trump could have the DOJ enforce that law which would end our 14 million illegal immigrant problem and massively improve our border security problem.

 

5 billion on a border wall will do nothing to either problem. So why do so many want it?

 

Note. All countries have that law. We have the only government that does not enforce it. That is why we are the only country with and illegal immigrant problem. As long as they can work, they can stay. No work, they leave and none come.

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@jimc91 wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

Oh  yes!!!!  Jim  please call the President and tell him not to cave in. to hold on to the shutdown until he gets his way.  His 5 billion dollars and build the wall that Mexico would pa for it and that Americans are end on paying for.

Yes, tell  him to continue with his agenda. pretty please. fire Mueller, and continue with this friendship with Putin and North Korea. please, encourage him to do these things and really make America great again.


I think you are replying to the wrong thread...  

 

I see nothing in your post that has anything to do with the very middle of the road article I posted.  

 

Did you read anything past the first sentence or title?

 

 

 

 


Not a very middle of the road article at all. I have heard no one fighting for open borders. In fact, the Democrats offered $25 billion for border security several months ago but the Republicans and Trump only wanted a wall.

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Just to be clear, the President and the Republican party shut down the government of the United States in order to fund 100 miles of "The Wall".  The funding, which Trump promised to get from Mexico, was going to be negotiated later until Trump watched a Hannity show and decided his base needed for him to shut down the government since the deal maker was incapable of making a deal. The Republican House and Senate gave up after being unable to get Trump to commit to a deal he would sign. 

 

This always happens when Republicans run the government.  

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@jimc91 wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

Oh  yes!!!!  Jim  please call the President and tell him not to cave in. to hold on to the shutdown until he gets his way.  His 5 billion dollars and build the wall that Mexico would pa for it and that Americans are end on paying for.

Yes, tell  him to continue with his agenda. pretty please. fire Mueller, and continue with this friendship with Putin and North Korea. please, encourage him to do these things and really make America great again.


I think you are replying to the wrong thread...  

 

I see nothing in your post that has anything to do with the very middle of the road article I posted.  

 

Did you read anything past the first sentence or title?

 

 

 

 


True - However I did find this in the next to last paragraph

 

In theory a wall along the southern border has merits, but in our view the proposed solution seems very old fashioned and outdated. Could it help solve people coming into the country illegally? Yes, it could.

 

POLITICAL

 

 

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LITERAL

 

 

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Source - https://www.google.com/search?q=RIP+Trump+Border+Wall++made+of+soldiers&client=firefox-b-1&source=ln...

 

 

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@rker321 wrote:

Oh  yes!!!!  Jim  please call the President and tell him not to cave in. to hold on to the shutdown until he gets his way.  His 5 billion dollars and build the wall that Mexico would pa for it and that Americans are end on paying for.

Yes, tell  him to continue with his agenda. pretty please. fire Mueller, and continue with this friendship with Putin and North Korea. please, encourage him to do these things and really make America great again.


I think you are replying to the wrong thread...  

 

I see nothing in your post that has anything to do with the very middle of the road article I posted.  

 

Did you read anything past the first sentence or title?

 

 

 

 

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Oh  yes!!!!  Jim  please call the President and tell him not to cave in. to hold on to the shutdown until he gets his way.  His 5 billion dollars and build the wall that Mexico would pa for it and that Americans are end on paying for.

Yes, tell  him to continue with his agenda. pretty please. fire Mueller, and continue with this friendship with Putin and North Korea. please, encourage him to do these things and really make America great again.

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It is beyond ugly in Washington D.C. these days (what's new) as the nation lurches through a partial government shutdown with apparently no end in sight.

 

On one side of the wall, quite literally, are Donald Trump and conservative Republicans, who want $5 billion for a border wall. On the other side are Democrats Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, who are opposed to the wall.

 

We will get to the merits of building such a wall in a moment. But the primary thought we have today is the obvious: that our system is hopelessly broken due to the sharp political divides that have so harmed this nation. On both sides of this political wall are extreme forces: on the left, political supporters and causes that are, in our view, in support of open borders and welcoming lots of immigrants with few questions. On the other side of the wall are hardliners who want to build a wall and shut down the inflow of people who are coming into the country illegally.

 

This conflict over immigration is a conflict unfolding across the globe as nations find it increasingly challenging to handle political turmoil caused by displacement due to wars, failing economies, and the human desire to find a better life. Europe is facing huge issues on this front, but the examples are everywhere. It is also a conflict this nation has struggled with throughout its history. This issue of immigration is not an easy one by any means. Our immediate observation as it always is is that the truth, and solutions, are found in the middle. It is not found on the far left or far right. It is found in the middle. Search the political spectrum for solutions on this issue in the middle.

It is here you will find a resolution.

 

Our humble view is the need for secure borders is obvious. We believe both sides would agree on this. Yet there are complexities at hand that hardliners aren't taking into consideration. One very blatant example are the American border cities that are economically dependent on the back and forth flows of people and goods and services across the border on a daily basis. Taking a lock down approach will have huge consequences on this commerce. Taking a firmer approach to immigration also has caused a lot of headaches for the American agriculture industry.

 

We also believe, however, that Trump and conservatives are right in that there needs to be a secure border and more strict enforcement of border policies, which send the message that the only way to come into the United States is through legal means. There are legitimate national security concerns that come with open, porous borders. Are they at times overstated? We believe so. No one, for example, is proposing a wall on the Canadian border but certainly, if a terrorist was set on coming into the United States over rough, remote terrain, the Canadian border is just as viable an option. So is getting into the country by sea or air. Would it be as easy as coming in from Mexico? No, but it is most certainly possible. The question then becomes, where does this end?

Do we fence in the whole nation?

 

In theory a wall along the southern border has merits, but in our view the proposed solution seems very old fashioned and outdated. Could it help solve people coming into the country illegally? Yes, it could. Is it a practical, economically feasible solution when we have so much technology available to us? We don't think so, but we could still be convinced otherwise.

 

Herein lies the problem: The wall is a political mantra. "Build the wall." This is a simplistic approach to a very complex problem. The nation clearly needs secure borders. We suspect the answer, though, is found not in a "Build the Wall" approach but instead in technology, strategic deployment of people, and maybe a partial wall that stretches through the most difficult areas to patrol. Another part of the solution is finding a manageable way to enhance legal options for immigration -- ones involving adequate screening -- and which make the idea of sneaking into the country illegally a foolish cause.

All of this points to thoughtfulness and the need for bipartisanship aimed at furthering the nation's best interests. Given the recent events in Washington D.C., though, hoping for these types of thoughtful, cooperative solutions has become the equivalent of wishing upon a star. None of this will change until we all agree to put down our political ideologies and demand bipartisanship from all our elected officials.

 

https://www.dailyindependent.com/opinion/the-wall----political-and-literal/article_2f4e5f2a-092d-11e...

 

 

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