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Think about this. Years ago when we were kids there was a Steel making plant near me, clothing mfg., production lines etc. All in the North East. Now they are all gone. Well the cost of labor is an expense to business, and you keep cost low. How? On labor you move to where you can pay the least. First in the northeast they moved to rural parts of the states, then they moved south, then they moved overseas. Why? Wages were creeping up when they moved so just move again. Right to work laws helped the south at first but in the end China, India came in, now Vet Nam and Africa. If there were labor unions and laws everywhere wages would even out so moving would not be an answer. Automation was a second reason. Where is used to take 20 workers now it takes 5. You can not stop this but you can control it. There is nothing new here, and it will go on until it is controlled by Govt. as that is what govt. is for. To act as the branch to put some control on the free market system. The govt. is bad at running cos., and cos are bad at looking out for people so we let govt. do that.


 

Exactly @john258 .As they are so alarmed about all the immigration from Central and South America on how they will be coming in taking our jobs and freeloading. HA....fools....they did so much outsourcing of the manufacturing industry, allowed tech industry to eliminate via the automation and allowed shadow corporations to do their dirty deeds in hiding money. They are so worried about freeloaders....HA!

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The other factor was that manufacturers were unable to keep all the fruits of manufacturing for themselves. I find it amazing when Republicans talk about bringing back "good jobs" and then strike down the unions which made those jobs "good". 


unions are still out there and no one is "striking them down",


51% of the private workforce used to be union ...... now only 10% is.  Looks like "unions are still out there" sounds a little hollow.

 


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    Once upon a time,  US industries were winners, we made stuff.   Well, not so much but what is important to note is what was designed and manufactured in the US was technological stuff.   The stuff that donald whines about but doesn't seem to comprehend as to why the Chinese are eating our lunch.    The short answer:  productivity.    Back in the 00"s, the focus by corporations / Wall Street was to be more productive.   That often meant "leaner" and to achieve that state, it meant finding cheaper labor.    

     When the decision was made to increase productivity to ensure that the wealthy remained so and became even more wealthy by listening only to the demands of Wall Street, then don't blame the workers who wanted to make a decent living.     

     Outsourcing became the model because it fulfilled the wishes of Wall Street.   Gees, Apple just annouced that it is moving its construction of all things Apple to China.    

 

     So why some here will whine on about whatever bs. they deem important, they need to remember how we got here and the threats made by donald are more bs.   Reminder, once upon a time, the US did embrace and underwrite things that made the US great, aka technology.    Then they followed the call of Wall Street and moved to cheaper labor countries.    Whine as donald will - he can't and won't unring that bell, but he will continue to lie about it.   Will his bobble head followers ignore reality?   


That is historically true - there was a time that we owned the world's economy and then the international economy came along and retailers answered the call of their customers for cheaper products and our Corps were hurt.

 

That is historical reality but what has it  to do with bobbelheads and bs?

 


The "historical reality" isn't  "the international economy came along and retailers answered the call".    The "historical reality" is that when NAFTA was written, the Corporate Lobbyists' $Dollars$ made sure that our Congress didn't write worker protections into the agreement the way that Germany did.  Because of that our manufacturers were able to move their production out of the country.

 


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That is historically true - there was a time that we owned the world's economy and then the international economy came along and retailers answered the call of their customers for cheaper products and our Corps were hurt.

 

Your final word is a incorrect rk.  Should be 'enriched'.  The hurt belongs to American workers, not corporations as you claim to be a truth. hohum

 

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Think about this. Years ago when we were kids there was a Steel making plant near me, clothing mfg., production lines etc. All in the North East. Now they are all gone. Well the cost of labor is an expense to business, and you keep cost low. How? On labor you move to where you can pay the least. First in the northeast they moved to rural parts of the states, then they moved south, then they moved overseas. Why? Wages were creeping up when they moved so just move again. Right to work laws helped the south at first but in the end China, India came in, now Vet Nam and Africa. If there were labor unions and laws everywhere wages would even out so moving would not be an answer. Automation was a second reason. Where is used to take 20 workers now it takes 5. You can not stop this but you can control it. There is nothing new here, and it will go on until it is controlled by Govt. as that is what govt. is for. To act as the branch to put some control on the free market system. The govt. is bad at running cos., and cos are bad at looking out for people so we let govt. do that.

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@Panjandrum 

You’re right, they won’t recognize it!

Doesn’t fit with their model: reverse Robin Hood, steal from the poor and middle class, and give to the wealthy!

That certainly isn’t very Patriotic is it. 


Actually, it depends on the goals your country espouses.  If you want to make sure the upper 1% continues to have 90% of the wealth, as they do today, then it is tremendously patriotic.  Of course, it means your country is about one step away from being a third world nation and economy.  If the goal of your economy is not to improve the quality of life for your citizens and residents, what IS the purpose of the American economy?  To make the rich richer? 

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@afisher 

@Panjandrum 

You’re right, they won’t recognize it!

Doesn’t fit with their model: reverse Robin Hood, steal from the poor and middle class, and give to the wealthy!

That certainly isn’t very Patriotic is it. 

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@Richva wrote:

The other factor was that manufacturers were unable to keep all the fruits of manufacturing for themselves. I find it amazing when Republicans talk about bringing back "good jobs" and then strike down the unions which made those jobs "good". 


unions are still out there and no one is "striking them down",


Well, if you live in Norway or Germany but in America they are passing laws to erode the ability to collect union dues while destroying the cohesiveness needed to form and maintain a union.  Every law which erodes the ability of the middle class to unionize is a blow against unions and erodes those "good jobs" the rich keep pretending they want to see come back.   

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@Richva wrote:

The other factor was that manufacturers were unable to keep all the fruits of manufacturing for themselves. I find it amazing when Republicans talk about bringing back "good jobs" and then strike down the unions which made those jobs "good". 


unions are still out there and no one is "striking them down",

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@afisher wrote:

    Once upon a time,  US industries were winners, we made stuff.   Well, not so much but what is important to note is what was designed and manufactured in the US was technological stuff.   The stuff that donald whines about but doesn't seem to comprehend as to why the Chinese are eating our lunch.    The short answer:  productivity.    Back in the 00"s, the focus by corporations / Wall Street was to be more productive.   That often meant "leaner" and to achieve that state, it meant finding cheaper labor.    

     When the decision was made to increase productivity to ensure that the wealthy remained so and became even more wealthy by listening only to the demands of Wall Street, then don't blame the workers who wanted to make a decent living.     

     Outsourcing became the model because it fulfilled the wishes of Wall Street.   Gees, Apple just annouced that it is moving its construction of all things Apple to China.    

 

     So why some here will whine on about whatever bs. they deem important, they need to remember how we got here and the threats made by donald are more bs.   Reminder, once upon a time, the US did embrace and underwrite things that made the US great, aka technology.    Then they followed the call of Wall Street and moved to cheaper labor countries.    Whine as donald will - he can't and won't unring that bell, but he will continue to lie about it.   Will his bobble head followers ignore reality?   


That is historically true - there was a time that we owned the world's economy and then the international economy came along and retailers answered the call of their customers for cheaper products and our Corps were hurt.

 

That is historical reality but what has it  to do with bobbelheads and bs?

 

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