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As times passes after a president leaves office, their standing can rise or fall as circumstances and the consequences of their administration unfold. Eisenhower has risen in effectiveness since he left office as has Truman. In fact when Harry Truman left office in 1952, he was very unpopular with the public. But in recent years, he has been consistently ranked among the top ten in effectiveness. In the meanwhile JFK's ranking has fallen since he was assassinated, but he still is ranked fairly high among effective presidents. 

 

In the future, I believe that history will not be very kind to George W Bush as president. With the rise of ISIS in Iraq, I am sure that GWB's presidential ranking will take a hit since he began the war in Iraq. I also believe that his handling of the economy will also continue to drag down GWB as far as presidential rankings in the future. In the future, GWB will be seen as a president who was controlled by those around him, most notably his Vice President Dick Cheney and defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld. I believe that the #36 ranking by the CSPAN ranking will appear generous as time passessince his presidency. 

 

I also believe that in the future historians will look more favorably upon the Obama presidency. Of course what will drag that down will be his relations with congress. But that was not Obama's fault entirely. He was faced with a hostile congress for most of his terms in office that blocked much of his proposals. Although his party controlled the senate for six of his eight years in office, the abuse of the filibuster by the minority Republicans made it impossible to pass key legislation. 

 

Perhaps no previous president was ever faced with such a relentless barrage of opposition propaganda during their terms in office as President Obama. Not since FDR became president in 1933 has any president inherited a worse economic situation as Obama did when he took office in 2009. In addition to the bad economic situation, President Obama inherited two unpopular foreign wars. The only previous presidents to inherit unfinished wars were Truman (the Second World War, when FDR died), Nixon (Vietnam) and Eisenhower (Korea). An argument could be made that LBJ inherited the war in Vietnam, but combat troops were not sent into Vietnam until 1965, after LBJ had become president.

 

But when those presidents inherited their unfinished wars, the economy was fairly healthy. Only Obama inherited two unpopular foreign wars as well as an economy teetering on the verge of another great depression when he took office. Yet despite relentless opposition from Republicans and congressional intransigence, both foreign wars were concluded (as far as our involvement) and the economy has recovered. For those, as well as his finally getting some health care reform passes; President Obama will eventually be ranked among the top ten American presidents. 

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I want to hear KidBoy's comments on this:

 


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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On how American presidents rank as far as effectiveness, there are many rankings. But those that rank presidents based on surveys of historians and experts are the only ones that have any shred of credibility. Here is a recent one from last February that has President Obama ranked at #18, in the middle of the pack and slightly above average. It also has Bill Clinton ranked in the top ten, at #8. Here is some information on this ranking:

 

To add some systematic evidence to the perennial conversation, in 2014 we surveyed 162 members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents & Executive Politics section and asked them to rate the U.S. presidents. Here is what we found.

 

The most highly ranked presidents contained many of the usual suspects. Abraham Lincoln was rated the greatest president, with an average score of 95 out of 100, followed by George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

 

The rest in the top 10 were Teddy Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bill Clinton, Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson. Those presidents with a score of more than 50 are graphed below.

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@runner50 wrote:

IF any wingers respond, I'm sure they'll say the numbers are contrived, "misread," "misinterpreted," or they came from a "liberal site."

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/wages-rise-march-as-job-growth-slows-and-jobless-rate-holds

 

Oh, remember this? The wingers criticized Obama for his "excessive" vacation days......ho hum!

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/compared-to-past-presidents-obama-takes-few-vacations/

 

AND too much spending.................SAY WHAT? .....and this is from FORBES!

 

 

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenh...

 

 


You should be ashamed when the GOPer-dupes put so much effort into trying to rewrite History and then you go and demolish all their cherished bleep with FACTS!!

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IF any wingers respond, I'm sure they'll say the numbers are contrived, "misread," "misinterpreted," or they came from a "liberal site."

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/wages-rise-march-as-job-growth-slows-and-jobless-rate-holds

 

Oh, remember this? The wingers criticized Obama for his "excessive" vacation days......ho hum!

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/compared-to-past-presidents-obama-takes-few-vacations/

 

AND too much spending.................SAY WHAT? .....and this is from FORBES!

 

 

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenh...

 

 

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Figures don't lie ---just republicans will cause they have nothing to boast about.     

 

The administrations I remember well enough to comment on is  alzheimer patient REAGAN   who didn't remember he gave WMDs  to Saddam and armed the Contras. 

Nixon was  a crook but he wasn't stupid.    He and Kissinger in a taped conversation said Reagan was in so many words "dumb". 

GH Bush---made money on war.....consorted with the Bin Ladin family .....and the rest is history.

GH Bush got his idiot spawn GW nominated and the public did the rest of the damage. 

 Bill Clinton led the country with the longest economic expansion on record.    Paid down the debt  $452 million .  (my favorite)     The Foundation he started helps people around the world and the republicans are attacking this charity---with nothing to boast about of their own making. 

GW Bush----Many of us with functional memories concluded long ago that  liars deliberately lied us into a pointless war, one that resulted in pointless maiming and pointless deaths of our own soldiers and perhaps a million Iraqi civilians, and the equally pointless rise of a nihilistic cult of deluded savages we know as ISIS. 

Obama---inherited the worst kind of recession nearly comparable to 1929 and now we are seeing somethings come back in spite of the do-nothing congress that only wants to control women's reproduction and gays and are perhaps the creepiest bunch ever.....when their own Darrell Issa had two meetings on women's reproduction and not ONE WOMAN was asked to attend.   Creepy.   

 

 

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@runner50 wrote:

JohnAllenLogan

 

" The five WORST Presidents ever: Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama and Obama "

 

 

 

 

Well, than explain this to us:

 

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/photos/a.347907068635687.81180.346937065399354/828808417212...

 

Histoy books will NOT ignore these facts and will dismiss this Congress as have done NOTHING but FILIBUSTER (a RECORD NUMBER by the way), OBSTRUCT and play politics. Obama's legacy will be outstanding!

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=660800217381385&set=p.660800217381385&type=1&theater

 

 

https://www.pinterest.com/carolynASB/w/

 

Numbers don't lie. Of course, when bigotry and tea party hatred is involved, that doesn't matter to "some."


jrbush is now ranked 35th (behind Herbert Hoover) with President Obama at 18. I predict that jr will fall another 5 AT LEAST as people realize how much better things were under Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Wm Harrison, James Buchannan and Warren Harding.

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JohnAllenLogan

 

" The five WORST Presidents ever: Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama and Obama "

 

 

 

 

Well, than explain this to us:

 

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/photos/a.347907068635687.81180.346937065399354/828808417212...

 

Histoy books will NOT ignore these facts and will dismiss this Congress as have done NOTHING but FILIBUSTER (a RECORD NUMBER by the way), OBSTRUCT and play politics. Obama's legacy will be outstanding!

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=660800217381385&set=p.660800217381385&type=1&theater

 

 

https://www.pinterest.com/carolynASB/w/

 

Numbers don't lie. Of course, when bigotry and tea party hatred is involved, that doesn't matter to "some."

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This is a pretty comprehensive list of what Dubya screwed up.  If you look for the Obama list, you get "Benghazi" repeated five hundred times with no explanation of why this was ever an issue. 

 

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/05/13/handy-reference-guide-bush-disasters-incompetencies-and...

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