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Why would you bring up Benghazi - your heroine behaved disgracefully, caused the loss of life, and then lied to the families and the world as to the cause.


I am going to have to keep a copy of this line so I can just copy and paste. 

 

OK, show me where she caused deaths, where she lied to the families. Now we wait for the sound of crickets. Again. 


Great idea Richva. In the meantime, here's what really happened in Benghazi.

 

When the citizens of Benghazi rose against Kaddaffi in March 2011, he ordered his Army to exterminate them. President Obama ordered air strikes to save the city and they did. The people of Benghazi were very pro-American.

 

The small US Consulate in Benghazi was protected by a 400-man Libyan Militia located three blocks away.

 

In July, 2012, a Republican supported video defaming the Prophet Muhammed was entered on YouTube. On 10 September, a version dubbed in Arabic was added, leading to outrage across the Muslim world. Republicans still support the video and claim it had no effect on Benghazi.

 

An anti-America militant group in Benghazi learned from their contacts in the Libyian Militia that the troops were outraged at the video, blamed America for producing and showing it, and were very unlikely to do anything to aid the Counsulate. All this confirmed in interviews with the captured terrorists.

 

Here's the actual results:

 

1. The entire attack on the consulate lasted 95 minutes. It began at 2140hrs on 12 Sept and was over (bodies and survivors evacuated to CIA Annex) at 2315hrs the same day.

A SECOND ATTACK on the CIA Annex began at 0515hrs and ended at 0526hrs THE NEXT DAY, but for nearly 6 hours, there was no "enemy action", or any indication there would be.

 

2. The nearest US troops were 4 (that's FOUR individuals, not 4 Divisions or Battalions or Companies or squads, FOUR SOLDIERS) Special Forces instructors in Tripoli who had access to a C-130, cruising speed 365mph. Tripoli is 404 miles from Benghazi, so if the 4 soldiers had been in the plane circling the airport waiting for a call to arms, they would've taken 66 minutes to reach Benghazi airspace, 5 minutes to land and 20 minutes to get from the airport to the Consulate, so the theoritical best, these 4 troops would've arrived ONE MINUTE before the fighting was over. By the time they actually were ready to board the plane, the fighting was over.

 

3. The nearest US Combat Aircraft were stationed in Avaino Italy, 1,043 miles from Benghazi. The nearest US Troops were in Bozina, 700 miles distant. One aircraft WAS sent to the flightline, but when no refueling capability was found, it was ordered back to its hanger because Benghazi was much farther than its combat range.

 

4. A CIA did send a 6-man rescue team from the Annex, but they encountered heavy machine gun fire and around 100 militants, so they were unable to reach the Consulate until after the Ambassator was killed. Another 8-man CIA team arrived from Tripoli at the Benghazi airport at 0145hrs the next day, nearly 2 hours after the fighting at the Consulate ended. Libian authorities refused to let them leave the airport until 0430hrs, because of the outrage over the Republican sponsored video.

 

5. The ABSURD Republican lie it took 13 HOURS for help to arrive has no basis in fact. The only 13-hour timeframe was from the moment the terrorists attacked until the bodies of the fallen Americans left Libyian airspace, and includes 11 1/2hours when NOTHING HAPPENED.

 

 

 

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While much attention has gone to the salacious tape described in the Dossier, more should be paid to the allegation that for at least 5 years Trump was passing information on Russians living at his properties to Russian intelligence operatives. Steele cites four different sources – a former senior Russian intelligence figure (who is believed to have been murdered in his car on December 26, 2016), a current senior Russian foreign ministry figure, and two Russian emigres; these sources all indicate that Trump had a relationship with Russian intelligence and was providing information on the comings and goings of Russians at his properties. We know that Trump had a vast surveillance system of his properties, and that President Putin and Russian intelligence keep a close tab on Russian oligarchs. We also have separate press reporting that UK, Dutch, French, German, Estonian, and Australian intelligence agencies picked up intelligence on meetings between Trump associates and Russian intelligence going back to 2015.

 

The Moscow Project


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Richva wrote-OK, show me where she caused deaths, where she lied to the families. Now we wait for the sound of crickets. Again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------hillary-benghazi-lie.jpg

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The thing that is scaring the Republicans is the sure knowledge that Democrats are already paying for other investigations confirming the allegations in the Steele dossier.  Christopher Steele gave them the information, they only need verify and then start the drip, drip, drip of verified reports on Trump. 


Supposedly, the dirty dossier was NOT the only piece of evidence that convinced the judge to issue a FISA warrant, yet no one has been privy to any other evidence except the Steele Dossier that the Clinton Foundation funded. I wonder if the spying on Trump BEFORE election was done with ONLY the dossier and the "rest of the evidence" is NON EXISTANT!

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Mlseker wrote-A snowflake is someone who needs a safe space. Your leader is one of the biggest--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So when my leader Trump(not yours) goes overseas to meet with Kim and then goes overseas to meet with Putin,he is going to his safe place?


Yes. They are who he wants to emulate and they will agree with him as long as he does what they want.

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Thank you for your post 

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@easyed598 wrote:

Richva wrote-You also keep forgetting to mention that the Steele Dossier was not the only evidence shown the FISA court for the warrants. That the warrants were renewed based on the information being gathered (would imply guilt). 

 

Bottom like, this is much like the "Benghazi" cry where the right had no idea what they were talking about because they really, really, did not want to look. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What exactly was that "other evidence" you mention that was gathered (and did not imply guilt)? I haven`t seen anything of relevance except the dirty Dossier.   Benghazi??? You forgot that Rice ,Hillary and Obama all said it was staged because of a anti-muslim cartoon and not a planned terrorists attack. It was proved untrue and then all 3 reluctantly retracted their original statement.


What is your position on the Mueller investigative team?

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The thing that is scaring the Republicans is the sure knowledge that Democrats are already paying for other investigations confirming the allegations in the Steele dossier.  Christopher Steele gave them the information, they only need verify and then start the drip, drip, drip of verified reports on Trump. 

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@easyed598 wrote:

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Sorry, its beginnings were known to the FISA court. That, and the FBI had their eye on Carter Page since 2013.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------And when did Trump start to run for president? (not 2013) FYI- Page was on Hannity yesterday and said that almost every time he went to Russia he met with FBI and shared information with them that he thought they might be interested in. If Page did anything illegal he would have been in jail by now.  In addition -Fisa warrants were issued in 2016 under Obama administration and with his minions in the DOJ and FBI and Page was targeted because of his personal relationship with Trump and not for anything he did wrong.


You really ought to read the dossie instead of taking Trump's lies. 

 

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

 

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Why would you bring up Benghazi - your heroine behaved disgracefully, caused the loss of life, and then lied to the families and the world as to the cause.


I am going to have to keep a copy of this line so I can just copy and paste. 

 

OK, show me where she caused deaths, where she lied to the families. Now we wait for the sound of crickets. Again. 

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